K78 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'm not a fan of rendered ewi for a number of reasons. Price, ages badly (green, "leopard spots") etc. I looked at using battens and cladding but was but off due to the depth of battens that are required. Ive been looking at cheaper cladding options and stumbled across this. The brackets that the battens attach to are a simple, smart solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Seems a smart system. Any idea on pricing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 It's just a modern take on hanging tiles. That is fine if you like that finish, but it is so out of touch with the local vernacular here that I would be surprised if the planners allowed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I think the smart bit is the brackets for the verticals. The "hanging tile" cladding could be anything that you can attach to the vertical members or to counterbattens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, jack said: Seems a smart system. Any idea on pricing? I think so too. The fixing brackets for the battens are a good idea. The tiles are pre drilled for easy fixing and work out at £13m2. I've not priced the brackets. I was looking at cladding rather than insulation when I stumbled across them. 1 hour ago, ProDave said: It's just a modern take on hanging tiles. That is fine if you like that finish, but it is so out of touch with the local vernacular here that I would be surprised if the planners allowed it. I love the finish. I think it looks really good. Obviously doesn't need treating either. Im hoping I won't be a issue with planning. There are many new schools and apartment blocks locally with some really garish cladding. Edited October 19, 2016 by K78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stones Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 That particular system uses fibre cement 'slates'. They look great new, not so good a few years further down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Stones said: That particular system uses fibre cement 'slates'. They look great new, not so good a few years further down the line. That is something I hadn't considered. Their vertigo tile is the only tile specifically for vertical installation and not roof installation. Some of their cheaper tiles can be used for both. I wonder if the Vertigo tiles have a coating to prevent this, similar to the fibre cement "wood" cladding? There seems to be a different finish on the roof and wall tiles in the last pic of my previous post. Ive just sent a email to ask as I'm really interested in this product. Edited October 19, 2016 by K78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stones Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 There are a lot of houses up here with cement fibre slates on the roof, and without exception, every single one I have seen has weathered significantly from dark slate to light cement grey. This particular product may well be immune from this problem but I suspect there will not be any guarantees on colour fastness. Could you fix real slate using this system? Downside would perhaps be that you would have to buy the slates without fixing holes and drill them in the appropriate places yourself. Our timber cladding is fixed to battens which are themselves fixed through 165mm of EWI. Nothing difficult in it, just a very long fixing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Stones said: There are a lot of houses up here with cement fibre slates on the roof, and without exception, every single one I have seen has weathered significantly from dark slate to light cement grey. This particular product may well be immune from this problem but I suspect there will not be any guarantees on colour fastness. Could you fix real slate using this system? Downside would perhaps be that you would have to buy the slates without fixing holes and drill them in the appropriate places yourself. Our timber cladding is fixed to battens which are themselves fixed through 165mm of EWI. Nothing difficult in it, just a very long fixing. As as far as I can see you can fix anything to it weight permitting. I like the the look of the vertigo tiles, but I'm glad you mentioned the weathering. I'll have to check that out. They are offered in a range of colours and a few have a "mottled" design so I'm hoping they will be designed to preserve their finish. They seem to have been used on a few apartment blocks, hotels and large office buildings. They will end up looking terrible if they age like roof tiles. With the system you used, do the battens and fixings mechanically secure the insulation? Edited October 19, 2016 by K78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stones Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 No, the EWI was fixed on before hand, albeit they may very well have only done just enough to hold it, knowing many more fixings would result from the battens going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 The product literature does mention that "some lightening may occur". https://www.marleyeternit.co.uk/~/media/Files/Product-Files/Roofing/Brochure-Request/Vertigo---Vertical-Slates.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudda Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Better system for fixing which is adjustable are these http://elemental.ie/eko-thermobrackets/ You can use any type of rainscreen cladding then on them, tiles, stone, timber, Glass Fibre Reinforced Concrete, Parklex, etc. They've a far better thermal performance than the ones in the first post. Remember all these brackets penetrate the external insulation so are all cold bridges. While small you do have a lot of them in an elevation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0214 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 hi all, take a look at www.nvelope.com - i work for these guys, extremely busy ! great website , all adjustable systems ,fix any facade/cladding glad to help where i can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 This is really interesting, I have wondered about fixing rain screens to ewi. @Stones did you just use long screws to fix your batons, did you plug them or use concrete screws, any chance of some pictures? I wonder if you can tile over EPS with large format tiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 I've decided to take this approach using the Eko Thermobrackets Dudda suggested. Im having a real headache deciding which type of insulation to use. The wall make up will be 225mm block, 200mm insulation and timber cladding. What is best option at 200mm thick? Any advice on cheap suppliers would be greatly appreciated too. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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