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On paper it's the other way round. TradeLine claim 0.5mm gauge and BG claim 0.45mm. Probably the joys of tolerances at play though which means the TradeLine is the thinner as you say. <rant>'Tolerances' is one of the great deceptions of the construction sector as far as I am concerned. Most other lines of work the nominal is what the manufacturer tries to achieve so sits in the middle of the distribution (mean) and the tolerance sets the width of the tails either side. In construction supplies, many seem to treat it that as long as X% are within nominal +/- the tolerance, they can reduce the mean to save money. Hence 100mm blocks actually being 96mm etc. It's a con in my eyes.</rant> British Gypsum: TradeLine:

I like the look of the Tradeline ones

British-Gypsum and GTEC resilient bars are about twice the price of lesser brands like Tradeline/Libra/Speedline/Phoenix. thickness and dimensions seem the same, so is that just the price of branding at play. I should imagine its all the same isn't it? I prefer the look of bars that have the acoustic holes away from the fold, but given the fact that both premium (BG) and budget (Libra) have holes on folds it doesn't seem an issue. Knauf double up and do both. SpeedLine: TradeLine(secondary source? Siniat GTEC: Gypframe: Knauf:

Looks comprehensive. What was the airtight paint you used?

Poly bead (e.g. Ecobead) cavity wall insulation with Cavalok cavity closers. Mineral wool (Knauf) at rafter level. Mineral wool (Knauf) at ceiling level and any flat roof bits.

At the skirting junction and the ceiling cavity, should I think about some form of sealing paint or put some wet plaster on at an early stage in those areas?

A type of spray foam like this?

Hopefully resolved by the Compraband, but I expect I may have to use a sticky membrane too. Something like Tescon Profil though difficult to appreciate how much better that is than duct tape. A lot easier to fit with the backing paper.

A bit confused, isn't that what air tightness is all about, stopping warm air leaving and cold air entering? All the airtightness measures would mean that air is only coming in and out where intended, through the ventilation system. Taking the rafter insulation as an example, the plan is a ventilated cavity above mineral wool insulation and then a VCL. Air fro outside will get on to the insulation, but hopefully not through or around the insulation to the warm side. Brick and block walls. Hopefully that makes airtightness in that area as simple as wet plaster onto the blockwork walls.

I'm keen to stay on top of the airtightness as I move forward with the 1st fix and beyond. I am new to thinking about most of this for forgive the inexperience. I'm thinking of leakage as being mostly through surfaces and edges/junctions. Surfaces: wet plaster on the blockwork walls (GF and FF) wet plaster on the plasterboard 'walls' and ceilings of the attic liquid screed on GF and FF Windows themselves are constructed with a good L-value and have not trickle vents Edges & Junctions Considering all the junctions between surfaces: Skirting area (GF & FF) - There is a strip of blockwork around the outside of rooms that is below where the plaster will go. This is where the screed expansion strip sticks. I am fitting the expansion strip to the blockwork wall and then taping the membrane that goes under the screed to the skirt of the expansion strip. That leaves a 'gap' between the expansion strip and the blockwork. Narrow but very long. E.g. 10no. 4x4 rooms with a 1/4 mm gap gives an area of 40,000mm2. Has anyone done anything about this? GF ceiling void - I'll use a sealant between the plasterboard and the walls, but that still leaves a 60+ mm high strip of blockwork and the underside of the hollowcore slabs with no airtightness. measures. Window & door frames - I'm considering using a triple action compraband for this, otherwise a membrane with a sticky strip that sticks to the frame and gets plastered over. Below rafters - VCL with taped joints. Ideally run all the way from wall plate to wall plate and taped to the wall plate all round. Tricky as there is a layer of insulation here too (~100mm at attic floor level). Hollowcore - I have attempted to seal the wall cavity ends of the cores of the hollowcore planks. No access realistic now. I'll seal the leaving space ends of the hollowcore where feasible. There are ~10mm dia. drainage holes that pass vertically through the hollowcore. At the top these will be sealed by the screed membrane. At the bottom I'll probably plug then with something porous (e.g. scrunch of mineral wool insulation) Wall plate - covered by plastering of VCL taped to it. Light fittings - If there other junctions listed above are sealed well then these shouldn't matter so much. For down lighters I'll try to use the types of cover that are designed for use with insulation. Sockets - I'd like to seal the cable entries. What have people used for this? I'm not keen on using a mastic type sealant as that would make any future work a nightmare. A sheet material with holes for the wires cut more tightly would be nice. Loft hatches - insulated and sealed loft hatches to be used. Loft hatch frame taped to ceiling VCL before plasterboard being added. Extractor fans/ventilation - Any not constant extractor fans will need to have a spring loaded damper to close them off when not running. Cable and pipe feeds - Spray foam would be the obvious choice. Otherwise mineral wool insulation. Any areas I have forgotten about?

Thanks Peter, so sounds like another bonus. I can see the downside of spiral/snail if using clip tracks as they wouldn't all be aligned in the same direction, but with castellated panels it seems like it would be straight forward. It doesn't use any more pipe does it? You don't happen to know if Wunda are able to design it as spiral for me?

I've sent back the previous lot of pipe and am changing to PERT-AL-PERT instead. To maximise my chances of success I am also likely to be using castellated panels. Further, I am thinking of changing the layout to snail pattern as this replaces a large number of 180 degree bends with a larger number of 90 degree bends and one 180 degree bend. The benefit is that those 90 degree bends are easier to form and less likely to store residual stress. Does anyone know any pros and cons of snail pattern over the more conventions pattern?

I'll leave space for a piece of plasterboard and plaster at the top of the brickwork of the inner leaf. One reason to not put the outer rafter in the cavity is to allow a second timber for the angled plasterboard to mount to. Crazy, but I may end up with three rafters as I am keen for the Brickies to have a line to follow with their outer leaf brickwork.

Should have looked at your plans first. No windows on the elevation facing your parents. Is the planner OK about the distance to the building to the West? I presume it's a building. It could be about right to daylight? If so the orientation of the duo pitch roof could be rotated by 90 degrees to put an eave on the North elevation and from a daylight perspective that lowers the roof

Could obscuring glass satisfy the planner? What rooms having windows facing you parents? You could fit standard windows with stick on obscuring film and then find it doesn't last very long.

Top tip: check your piece if wall plate isn't twisted ? It was only enough to put the bubble at one mark of the level at one end of the section and at the other mark of the level at the other end. Confused me for a moment though.

Depending on whether I shift the roof line by using a counter batten, below is my plan for the eave. Simple 4x2 rafter and a 4x2 on edge for the eave vent to sit on. There won't be any vent at the top of the pitch, but the roof section is so small (approx 1m2) it shouldn't matter. I can either birds mouth the rafter to sit on the flat timber. Funny to be putting effectively a wall plate on the outer leaf but will be fine. It needs to stop at the outer leaf end so the brickwork can come through there. Any reason not to be running the outer rafter in the cavity?

Sounds like an expensive way to stash your plant. The water cylinder would drive the height over 6ft. I think a wine cellar would be more of a feature, but needs to work with the rest of the house. It wouldn't be strange to enter a plant room through the downstairs toilet, but it would make people worry about your chardonnay if you entered a wine cellar from there. It's hard to find a decent reasonably priced horizontal DHW cylinder as I want one to put in a roof space.

My cavity tray (shown orange below) is a course higher than ideal, so I end up with the three choices below. In the image below, the red the blocks have DPC cavity trays on their left and bottom sides forming a stepped cavity tray down that side wall. Dress the lead flashing ~180mm up the chimney stack to the DPC cavity tray. Could look a bit silly being so high and being visible from the front of the house. It dresses down the tile too >150mm so would create quite a prominent band. Note as prominent as the photo below and hopefully I'd get it all level as well. Leave a gap of 1 course between the top of the lead flashing and the DPC cavity tray. Minimal water would be able to get into such a gap, but it is like an exposed midriff. Shift the line of the roof up a course, which makes the cavity trays round the red blocks lower than ideal ?Too low?

I'm using Redland tiles for the roof and they have some handy CAD resources where you can select your tile type and what detail you need. As they've drawn it, the timber comes up to a bed joint which is handy. They say 75mm min. for the lead flashing. Checking NHBC confirms 75mm min. , 150mm is for flat roof abutments. I think I have my cavity tray a bit high unfortunately as I think I allowed for 150mm.

Thanks, but not as keen on how that looks. I know another option is to do in brick instead. I'd prefer tile.

Does anyone have a chimney shoulder detail they can share? My plan so far in the absence of a detail drawing. Below are sections of images from the architect. The chimney sticks out ~600mm and has a cavity wall all round. Left to my own devices, I'd bolt a section of 4x2 to the house side wall and build a frame off it that rests on the inner leaf of the chimney outer face (the outer face being the surface you see here). Battens across the top of the frame. Tile overhand around 35-50mm to chimney return (return = front face, next to drain pipe in diagram below). Two options for how tiles end relative to the brickwork face of the chimney that is visible below: flush - tile side is flush with the face of brickwork and gets cement mortar between brick and tile. The top surface of the battens to come ~10mm above the 45 degree cut of outer leaf bricks. That 10mm is to allow the space for tile lugs and some cement at the verge. overhang - side of tile overhangs face of brickwork (e.g. 35mm). Cloak board placed on top of the cut bricks and mortar between cloak board and tiles. If doing this I should probably have the battens go on top of the cloak board like at a normal verge. That will create a much more visible mortar verge, but do a tidier job. I am leaning towards option 2. Lead dressed down to tiles on the other two sides. No gutter at end of pitch. What do people think? Hopefully this is roof small enough that I can't go too far wrong ?

Here are the prices I have been quoted. It's interesting to see how much the price/performance figure varies (from 50p to almost £5). [t] Name lambda cost Price/Performance 90mm FrameTherm 32 £8.80/m2 £3.13 [lambda*cost/t] 90mm FrameTherm 35 £5.70/m2 £2.22 140mm FrameTherm 32 £?.??/m2 £?.?? {£14.11/m2} 90mm OmniFit Slab 35 £4.05/m2 £1.58 100mm RafterRoll 32 £14.15/m2 £4.58 75mm RafterRoll 32 £10.80/m2 £4.61 100mm LoftRoll 44 £1.15/m2 £0.51 150mm LoftRoll 44 £1.69/m2 £0.50 {£2.16/m2} 200mm LoftRoll 40 £?2.60/m2 ?£0.52 {£3.32/m2} 180mm OmniFit Stud 34 £18.05/m2 £3.41 Vari Rockwool Flexi 38 various £1.76 (e.g. £4.65/m2 for 100mm) All prices are from the same source except {prices}. You pay a large premium for self supporting rolls. OmniFit Slabs probably represent the sweet spot for Knauf between the rafters. It highlights how cheap the LoftRoll insulation is. I have heard of builders stapling this at rafter level and I can understand why. FactoryClad has a very large minimum order quantity. I have heard of price fixing of insulation in some territories and, given how expensive it is, I am not surprised. There must be a lot of fraud around it as well since someone could easily claim to have used something twice as expensive and it's hidden away, plus hard to tell even if you can see it.

I read the following on one website: "If your boards are exposed to varying weather conditions before fitting, they are likely to cup, warp and split; the ideal time to fit cladding to keep this to a minimum is between the months of October and April and within 7 to 14 days of delivery." [link] Perhaps a good excuse to hold off then. That is of course on the hope that the prices come back down any time this year.

Looks nice. I was thinking of 200mm 25-6, but shrinkage probably makes 200mm a bad idea.