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Fear of that made me put the heads of the screws in my mouth. I recon I can tell the screw head type with my tongue ?

Got a nail bag, but it is a lot faster if I put about five in my mouth and four in my hand, and one being driven. Ibuprofen dose by 10:30 I suppose... ?

..... can you hold in your mouth while screwing your battens down? Please God nothing makes me look up and so swallow a few. ?

I have now built up the verge to the correct height. The plan calls for top of the verge to be insulated with 25mm of PIR. My question is: how best can I fix that insulation in place ? The answer - I think - is to nail or screw a strip to the inside edges of the gap, trapping the PIR in place. I will then felt over the top of that. This is what the verge looks like now..... The blue battens are the counter-battens. I recon I will have something like 40mm (25mm of counter-batten and about 20mm of rafter) to accommodate the fixing (a normal batten on its edge?) which holds the PIR in place. I'd then foam the edges to seal any little gaps. A mate of mine told me he would just cut the PIR into shape and then simply tack-nail the it in place .... Hmmmmm. What do you think?

You're overthinking it....? You have no idea how good it is for me to be able to write that. Overthinking is good: the worry that attaches to it isn't.

I'm half German, half Jock, and we'll on my way to becoming Italian by working practice. Up at 5, out by 6 , hard at it by 6.15; brief lunch. Knock off at 2 Siesta baby. Mmmmm Hmmmm! Back out by 6, fiddle and fuss work, make-do and mend. Why? Roofing in 35+ The foil does a fairly good job on re-directing the sun's rays - specially the ones that missed my face first time round.

Grrrrrr. ? Got someone arriving today to fix a wall plate to our steels. Ordered the appropriate Forgefix TechFast Timber to Steel screws (for delivery Tuesday last) and got the ... "We are working with our partners and others to fulfill this order bollox...." Screwys, Toolstation and local suppliers - Never ' erd o' them mert ' Reliable online supplier of fastenings known to anyone?

Why didn't I think of that now.......? Fanks. Ian

Sooner rather than later, eh? You know it makes sense.....?

Welcome Leslie Do tell us.... which door and window issues do you face? I could bore you with my issues, but they wouldn't be anything like as interesting as yours.

Excellentel Tennente! General quick-fixit stuff. Vice, light, extension, base for a worksite saw, storage for the Bosch beat box, somewhere to hit summat on Got me thinking....

I would like to make myself a nice little easily moveable (draggable) workbench. One which will cope with the rough loose smallish stones that lie everywhere outside. The design of the workbench isn't my concern I need some casters (wheels?) that'll cope the loose bits of MoT1. Ideas?

Here's chapter and verse; Approved Document H You also need to follow the General Binding Rules. - and all for free (That'll please @ProDave ) Normal soil pipe parts are widely available. (Just imagine if they weren't!)

Meanwhile, back on topic...... Thanks @Ian for a thoughtful, well-evidenced set of posts. I might by accident have a batten on top of an overlap, but the felt isn't part of my airtightness strategy. I'm guessing now that local roofers never use Kloeber Permo as part of the airtightness program for the houses on which they normally work. I am assuming that @PeterW thought that I was using KP for airtightness. Frankly, I'd be surprised (and delighted) if local roofers were involved in any work on airtightness.

Massive Declan. Like seriously massive. Cost to survey it @ProDave

A casual glance at a beautiful oak tree that we have caused me to stop dead in my tracks. I could see daylight in the middle of the trunk at eye level (6 feet). Tree surgeon called. Teeth sucked. Head scratched. Arse disappears into tree. Now I'm sucking my teeth at that. Get a proper survey, mate. That trees at least 200 years old. And it'll cost an arm and a leg to drop it. Several quotes all in the £600 range for one friggin tree. Is it me?

@lizzie, he played in our garden when he was a nipper. The garden that is now a building site. He's just gone out on his own.... as a roofer ?. Never once fell out with our kids.... Knows nowt about Nulok, so he wants the job. @Bitpipe, he loathes fitba, and is teetotall, been treated badly by wimmin in the recent past, so spends his time with his Staffie. Funny old game bildin' innit?

Welcome. Fancy a job fitting my roof? ? My lad has just cried off for tomorrow - heat stroke.

Batts ? (sheets of insulation)

You , me, and many others on BH. The way women are patronised or ignored or both by some male builders is an added level of insult. Even the MD of a large company managed to patronised Debbie when he visited the site. The local (male) rep squirmed with embarrassment. I wish this morning when I went to buy some sealing tape, I'd had the confidence and presence of mind to ask why roofers don't seal between the layers of felt .

inside? In Germany, they just wouldn't get away with it. (well, when I was there..... might be different now... bleedin' Socialists)

Loathe football, but wish I didn't.

No, @Redoctober, it isn't objectionable. It grates sorely on my set of open-wounds and various chips on both my shoulders that the building sector seems to have a large number of people who are doing a poor job and expect to get paid as if they were doing the opposite. I came to loathe German ways of doing things when I worked there: the rigidity, the lack of imagination, the lack of sparkle, the guidelines, always the effing guidelines. And yet, there's an apprenticeship system which delivers high quality staff in every sector: trained (gelernter) chimney sweeps, trained production line staff, street sweepers, plumbers, roofers and so on and this is the important bit ---- who have parity of esteem --- with their classically educated counterparts. Self building feels like pissing against the wind almost all the friggin time.

Thanks. Intrigued by.... That's their core job innit? Wha's goin' on?

Klober Permo Forte: German. Klober Permo HD, German. Klober TR Plus, German. Me German. Thus I read instructions, I follow guidelines I lack imagination and flair (I'm shit at football too) I do as I'm told, usually, without too much fuss So imagine my incomprehension during the following conversation at our otherwise excellent roofing suppliers. My Good Man, may I buy some of your finest Permo HD, or Permo TR Plus as it says on these instructions ( for the roles of Permo Forte NG I have bought) Ya wot, mert? Some Permo HD, or Permo TR Plus as it says on these instructions, please. Dunt sell it. Rewfers round yur dunt use it laaak. But the instructions say I need some. Tha dunt need any mert.... 'less that's right by 't seaside laaaak. Ah, the difference between theory and practice. The bright-eyed-bushy-tailed neophite walks happily, blindly into yet another minefield, waltzing hesitantly between encultured practice and text-book rote learning. I've only just taught myself (painfully) to use a hammer tacker.? Help me out here please. Do I need to seal the overlap (150mm - proud of the fact that I worked that out for myself) between the layers of Permo Forte? Or can I let the wind blow under my skirts as it were? (And if anyone says I'm overthinking this, they're gonna get a slap.)