Roger440

Its happening because it is what they want. I found that looking at what they do, rather than what they say works well. Saying and doing rarely match. Ive said it before, as you know, but electricity prices are only going one way. Simply because they cant come down based on actions or lack thereof.

It can only end one way. Bankruptcy. Its surely only a case of when, rather than if. Though they are very good at kicking the can down the road. And then of course, under IMF control, the government will be forced to make the necessary cuts. And, of course sell off government assests at knockdown prices. To them.

Indeed. Can only blame myself for that. I did, however, think it was a nailed on certainty that the scheme would continue in ever more generous form. But, occasionally, sensible things happen.

To return to the original topic, looks like Rachael has indeed binned the ECO4 scheme if indeed the news is reporting correctly. They just call it an ECO scheme so not 100% sure. Good news for the taxpayer. Bad news for me.

I'm talking about the sealer rather the grouted you would use on paving.

You can always use the resin based sealer after laying. That binds the sand and creates an impervious joint that weeds can't grow in. Very effective.

Can't say I know. It was a while ago. Don't think there's any real practical difference. Just kingspan is about 20% more expensive. Because it's a market leading name.

I've used it, albeit in Workshop rather than houses. But I'd use it on a house if appearance was OK in that environment. In terms of fitting, I can't think of any roofing that is easier. It is as simple as it gets. One component. No layers, no gaps, no membranes. The thicker it is, the less noise. But a thelin panel can be noisy in the rain. But no more noisy than my new fibre cement roof tiles are. I'm at a loss as to why it's not used more, accepting that visually it often doesn't suit.

I already have radiators. Which are fine. But I do like UFH. Was fantastic in our last place, which I installed, though that did have foamed glass insulation under the slab. The original slab had to come up anyway on that house though. I'll take my chances. Mainly because i dont believe 85% of the heat will go down. And, of course, currently im already losing heat down through the slab as its already in my room! It's certainly not an uncommon thing to do. I can easily rent the machine to cut the grooves.

I'm not convinced, though that's based on the fact, that, practically, this would be done on an existing slab, so the pipes wont be buried as has been used in the examples above. They will be lying in slots cut into the surface, and depending on the proposed floor covering, left like that or grouted in. I'll leave it others to ask ai, but the real world solution I suggest will, logically alter the ratio of what heat goes where. Interesting though, as this is exactly what I will be doing. Much as having insulation under the slab would be great. I'm not ripping up six inches of perfectly good concrete to do so. £5-7k (even doing it myself) buys a lot if energy in whatever form. Never mind the disruption, and ridks if undermining shallow foundations. There's also some benefits in a traditional house with no dpm of gently warming the base of the walls and driving the moisture out.

Johnmo makes some excellent points which are, essentially as I understand it. On a new build it wouldn't make any sense, but on an existing house, makes more financial sense than digging up a perfectly good floor. I know, I ran the numbers. I’d be long dead before break even.

Not sure finance is an answer for people with no money or an inability to manage money. That doesnt normally end well. I forget the number of people that dont even have £200 in savings, but its substantial. They live month to month. They dont have any capital, and borrowing money in that circumstance would be foolish. Wasnt really debating if all those people needed to be in that postion. Just observing that they are, be it through circumstance or the choices they make. Related, though not directly is the very long payback periods on some of this stuff. If you can see a return in 2 or 3 years, if you have the capital its a no brainer. But 10 years, not so much. Might make good sense on paper, but 10 years is a long time, lots could happen. Could even be dead. But a half resonable you chance that you may not benefit as you might die, move house or whatever.

I dont think they are short sighted. The vast majority of the population simply cant afford to drop a 5 figure sum on heating, an EV etc, no matter how good it looks finanicially over the long term If electricity was free for heat pump use, thay still cant fund the heat pump in the first place. Running costs are acedemic if you dont have the capital. You have demonstrated, once again, that BH members are not representative of society at large.

So what has the debate over the last few pages been about? Why all the chat about WC and having to re-visit, tweak etc. Thats been discussed on here numerous times before.

Having a heat pump is a disadvantage. Primarily because of cost, secondly, finding someone who can do it properly, and, to a much lesser degree, reliance on the grid being available, which for most is a non issue, but a small issue for me. Given, as per my ramblings elsewhere, i end up with a bigger generator, that problem goes away. The eco4 scheme, assuming i qualified, would fund the HP, solar and insulationl at no cost to me at all. Im sure you can appreciate, that fundamentally changes things. If that option does not come to fruition, then yes, i revert to my previous position of sticking with oil. As, financially its the only option that makes any sense at all. Seems fairly simple to me. Im not sure ive ever deviated from that.