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Fan Coil Units for use with a (cooling) ASHP
NCXo82ike replied to ProDave's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
For those chilling, how do you feel with the increased relative humidity? Copilot's calculation gives me 85-90% RH internally if I cool my house to 21 degrees on mid 30 degree days, using only sensible cooling i.e. above dew point. Dehumidifiers? Guess that's a big win for standard air conditioning systems which have dehumidification modes. -
Fan Coil Units for use with a (cooling) ASHP
NCXo82ike replied to ProDave's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
That's fantastic! -
Fan Coil Units for use with a (cooling) ASHP
NCXo82ike replied to ProDave's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Quite possibly. Still a little way of installation. But our planned Panasonic aquarea heat pump natively supports two circuits running at different flow temperatures, so it shouldn't be too much of a DIY hack. Admittedly cooling using a loop above dew point and then running a dehumidifier would be easier. I also don't know how much of a real world problem the humidity will actually be when cooling. -
Fan Coil Units for use with a (cooling) ASHP
NCXo82ike replied to ProDave's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Yes, I'm thinking this would should not be on the same loop as UFH. But maybe using pre-insulated MLCP pipe runs, so they effectively have a continuous vapour barrier around? -
Fan Coil Units for use with a (cooling) ASHP
NCXo82ike replied to ProDave's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
This would be an argument for cooling at below the dew point surely? With fan coils + condensation drainage. If you can control flow temperature and fan speed you could balance cooling and dehumidification as needed. -
yes, I think we should be able to do a reasonably comprehensive job over the beams and between the joists.
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That is amazing, thank you. Getting great value from this forum! We will be doing some internal insulation on the brick wall above and indeed all the old solid walls. Insulating lime plaster where there's any chance of moisture in the walls and MVHR to extract humidity from the internal side. The plan is to bring those to U value of ~0.60. Then new walls and ceilings are just to modern building regs, not passive house standards. Ground floor is liquid screed on 150mm PIR on ground bearing slab. UFH in the screed and low profile overlay on new chipboard flooring in upper floors.
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Thanks Nick. Here's the SE drawings, relevant section of regs drawings, and photo of the key parts . The steels B06 and B10 form cold bridges with the ground below. They support a solid wall above. You can see blockwork internally but we had to rebuild a section and couldn't make this a new cavity wall. The webbed joists hang off those steels and pocket into the old solid brick walls. So it's an all an inherent compromise- but I want to take sensible precautions to stop the kitchen vapour condensing on cold spots.
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Thank Nick, does that mean we shouldn't insulate the beams then? They have external solid walls bearing on them so I (as a total amateur) consider them a cold bridge/condensation risk? Perhaps all academic given that we're getting crittall-style doors as a massive thermal bridge
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It's a shame this level of detailed knowledge isn't common
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First floor. We've got a new insulated slab over the whole ground floor
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Some joists come off the steels, so these will have cool ends- the spray foam will hopefully stop vapour getting to condensation spots. We have the same situation with old joists in the solid walls. I've seen some recommendations to avoid internal insulation at the joist pockets to keep these warm, and others to insulate and tape around the joists for a continuous VCL.
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No decoupling, a lesson for next time around. Not something discussed by the architect or engineer, and by the time I understood it we were too far along. Thanks for the recommendation- boxing in and spray foam sounds great.
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Thanks John, on that basis my question is whether there's a reason not to use spray foam since there's a lot of complex junctions, joists etc
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We have most of the steelwork up in our wraparound extension and loft conversion. 1905 mid-terrace, solid wall construction. We have picture frame steels sucking heat into the ground and steels bearing on to (and/or supporting) cold brick walls. I'm looking to minimise the impact of cold bridging. The wraparound is brick and block with mineral wool cavity, pitched vented roof. The loft conversion is timber, vented cold roof (unfortunately necessary). Priority 1 is to avoid condensation, priory 2 to reduce heat loss. No cold steel near bathrooms, but plenty near the kitchen in the wraparound. The builder suggested PIR or mineral wool around the beams, but I worry if we insulate without a vapour barrier against the steels it will worsen interstitial condensation? I wonder if spray foam is a sensible way to do this, cutting the cold bridge with a continuous vapour barrier I can tape against other membranes. I've sent the horror stories but get the impression the issue is where critical ventilation e.g. cold roof is compromised by the spray foam. Other relevant measures are: -internally insulating solid walls (planning on vapour-open with thermactive plus wood fibre). -windows uprated -We'll be getting as airtight as reasonably possible -MVHR system fitted which I will control based on internal humidity Grateful for any thoughts- couldn't see similar in the forum surprisingly
