Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Not sure I like this system. But then that’s probably more because it’s new too me . Theres no horizontal base track because ufh and screed needs to be done . Only doing this wall without track just so Uvc and ufh manifold have somewhere to go . So a bit experimental . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 What little googling i've done shows it about the same price as timber. Is that anything close to correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Right ! i see a problem , these glypliner brackets aren’t meant to be used with this stud I don’t think . Let me twist the vertical to face - this must be wrong as otherwise the utility holes are pointless . photo of it wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Neil said: What little googling i've done shows it about the same price as timber. Is that anything close to correct? I think it’s meant to be cheaper . i got 10 3.4m lengths of vertical for about £36 . I just used the nearest builders merchants as I need this done now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Hmmmmmmmm This right ? Almost straight .... Not sure about this ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, pocster said: I think it’s meant to be cheaper . Right. SO...if it's cheaper per length and if, as a couple of youtubeos i've watched suggest, noggins aren't required (although I imagine could still be added if required), why isn't everyone using it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Well I’ve either become skilled or I’m making a pigs ear of this . 300mm is not required ; but i’ll Use it on this wall as there is no base track . Only has to hold osb . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Big Neil said: Right. SO...if it's cheaper per length and if, as a couple of youtubeos i've watched suggest, noggins aren't required (although I imagine could still be added if required), why isn't everyone using it? Lol No idea . The only reason i’m Using it is I’m in a basement with damp - so don’t fancy timber . I think if skilled ? , it would be quicker . Also you know a length is straight unlike timber . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 right - well unless mr @nod - who i believe uses this during the course of his normal daily life, comes up with a pretty good reason not to use it. I'm sold. there must be something i'm overlooking as otherwise surely everyone would use it, at least in respect of the mass market producers anyway.....no sod it, anyone!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Ok So first sheet of osb to go up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Big Neil said: right - well unless mr @nod - who i believe uses this during the course of his normal daily life, comes up with a pretty good reason not to use it. I'm sold. there must be something i'm overlooking as otherwise surely everyone would use it, at least in respect of the mass market producers anyway.....no sod it, anyone!! I guess it’s like timber frame houses . its only relatively recently done here ; most of us do it that way . But in the US Florida , practically every build has been done like that for decades . @Big Neil If my retarded efforts haven’t put you off then the system must be fu*king brilliant ! Edited May 8, 2019 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) I love a good bit of retarding of an afternoon. I'll PM you my Wife's number shortly, she can make you feel better about your relative level of retardedness.... And for the avoidance of doubt, i'm the retard - not the wife..I just meant she could confirm it.. Edited May 8, 2019 by Big Neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 First piece of osb up . Using short sharp screws to hold osb to steel . Very boring to do ! Can I use a collating gun and dry wall screws for this ? Or is that a big no ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 59 minutes ago, Big Neil said: Right. SO...if it's cheaper per length and if, as a couple of youtubeos i've watched suggest, noggins aren't required (although I imagine could still be added if required), why isn't everyone using it? cos builders don,t like to have to learn new skills when i went to jewsons here and asked for gyproc studding they looked at me like I WAS TALKING IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE they had to get out the gyproc "white book" to know what to order , no builder had ever used it here . and when i was doing it in the showroom a couple of local joiners came in and asked what it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pocster said: First piece of osb up . Using short sharp screws to hold osb to steel . Very boring to do ! Can I use a collating gun and dry wall screws for this ? Or is that a big no ??? that is what gyproc specified to me don,t know if they changed-so yes thats what i used and its still up 10years later and thats 3 layers on each side Edited May 8, 2019 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: that is what gyproc specified to me don,t know if they changed-so yes thats what i used and its still up 10years later and thats 3 layers on each side Drywall screws ok for mounting the osb ??? - just double checking ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pocster said: Drywall screws ok for mounting the osb ??? - just double checking ! only worry would be they grip in the osb better than drywall and don,t pull board up tight and strip in the metal stud. pre drilling would be a pain but a solution try a few first on a scrap bit of stud +board maybe dwell a little when you go through osb,so it takes the grip off the board on the screw ,before pushing hard to go into stud ,then that should work Edited May 8, 2019 by scottishjohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 is this a damp area you are sealing off with the bubble sheet ? what about the studs behind it ? wood will rot and steel will rust away .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I don't get what you have done here. When I have seen this the membrane is fixed to the wall with properly watertight fixings, then the u=channel is fixed ceiling and floor with a small gap to the membrane and the I studs are located in the channel and fixed with the stubby fat head screws. You can't just screw through the membrane as it needs to be completely sealed. The idea is you build an independent wall on the dry side of the membrane using u track and I studs. Is there a perimeter drain, sump and pump to be included? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: I don't get what you have done here. When I have seen this the membrane is fixed to the wall with properly watertight fixings, then the u=channel is fixed ceiling and floor with a small gap to the membrane and the I studs are located in the channel and fixed with the stubby fat head screws. You can't just screw through the membrane as it needs to be completely sealed. The idea is you build an independent wall on the dry side of the membrane using u track and I studs. Is there a perimeter drain, sump and pump to be included? The steel on its own just in horizontal channels doesn’t feel particularly sturdy . The membrane has special plugs . You drill through the membrane and put these water tight plugs in . You can then screw into the plug ( without piercing the membrane) for a water tight system . heres the plugs so it makes sense ? https://www.permagard.co.uk/p-seal-quick-plugs yes perimeter drain and sump Edited May 8, 2019 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 You also use the plugs to attach the membrane to the wall . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, pocster said: The steel on its own just in horizontal channels doesn’t feel particularly sturdy . The membrane has special plugs . You drill through the membrane and put these water tight plugs in . You can then screw into the plug ( without piercing the membrane) for a water tight system . heres the plugs so it makes sense ? https://www.permagard.co.uk/p-seal-quick-plugs yes perimeter drain and sump It looks like you have used C studs and have them 90 degrees the wrong way round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: It looks like you have used C studs and have them 90 degrees the wrong way round Well this is what confused me ! it I rotate them ( like in an earlier photo ) the glyplier bracket can only attach to 1 side which is wrong . This way does appear stable .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) I’ve improvised due to lack base channel and confusion!! Still prefer to have the glypliner brackets just need the correct system! . Was using track I had lying around . Guess there are different systems..... I only need another 10 verticals which I've order from local builder merchants. As it would seem there are different systems it will be interesting too see what turns up! Edited May 8, 2019 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Why aren't studs just box sections. Would they not be slightly stronger that way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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