hmpmarketing Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Ok. Your pic shows 2x 4m timbers making up the 8m span. That I assume means your showing the break in the run on top of the 6m steel ? Hi @Nickfromwales sorry for being thick hehe Yes, there is a break in the run on top, just not visible. 18 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: The 8x3" would be in the middle of the steel, sat on top, running along its length and positioned vertically. The joists would then be made off into joist hangers affixed to the 8x3. Clear as mud ? I'll do a pic if your not sure. the red line I draw is the 8x3, so it runs on the top of the beam like the sketch yes? then the joists would be attached to this 8x3 with brackets I assume? A pic would help if thats not a lot of work ?
Nickfromwales Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Declan52 said: Fully fill the joists with Rockwool and then overlay with OSB and 100/150mm of pir then whatever covering is being proposed. Or some big ass firring pieces over the joists, run t'other way, with PIR cut in between ?
Nickfromwales Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, hmpmarketing said: Maybe I got right ? Nope lol. Draw it with the 8x3 vertical so sandwiched between the joists. .
hmpmarketing Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Nope lol. Draw it with the 8x3 vertical so sandwiched between the joists. . Ha! this must be it then
Declan52 Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Or some big ass firring pieces over the joists, run t'other way, with PIR cut in between ? Rather you than me cut all that pir!!!
Nickfromwales Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, hmpmarketing said: Ha! this must be it then He shoots.....he scores, lol. Yes, that's the kiddy.
hmpmarketing Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: He shoots.....he scores, lol. Yes, that's the kiddy. haha Hanger example Edited August 15, 2018 by hmpmarketing
PeterW Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 Out of curiosity what are you drawing this in ..??
PeterW Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, hmpmarketing said: haha Hanger example And being pedantic that hanger is upside down .....
PeterW Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 And I think you’re going to hit an issue with eaves height if you’re not careful with your roof build up ...
hmpmarketing Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, PeterW said: And being pedantic that hanger is upside down ..... HAHA Sorry @PeterW this wont happen in real life Im using a combination of Live Interior, Sketchup 17 with AmbientOcclusion Ex plugin for the "better resolution" rendering
hmpmarketing Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PeterW said: And I think you’re going to hit an issue with eaves height if you’re not careful with your roof build up ... With the block walls being 2.85, I have currently 3.05m with the timber sitting on top of the beam., so left with 150mm (went for 3.20m in height) So I have got 11mm OSB for decking, 100mm insulation + 18mm OSB3 top deck, then EDPM Edited August 15, 2018 by hmpmarketing
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) Morning folks, So here is the composition of the warm roof (EDPM rubber finish and fascia to follow) Question is, how to cover this up? Insulation + foam? timber? Blockwork? Edited August 16, 2018 by hmpmarketing
Nickfromwales Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 I'm just wondering if I'm feeling cruel enough to make you show the noggins . Looks good. With the PIR and full full wool in the voids that should be a decent make up. Dont forget to dig the slot in the ground for the swim-jet. .
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: I'm just wondering if I'm feeling cruel enough to make you show the noggins . The noggins, yea, just feeling lazy I will draw them in now 8 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Looks good. With the PIR and full full wool in the voids that should be a decent make up. By PIR, you man just a piece of the celotex insulation? 8 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Dont forget to dig the slot in the ground for the swim-jet. Did plan for that, wife does not agree though
Nickfromwales Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 Yes, PIR aka most rigid insulation boards. Colotex is a brand of PIR ?
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 noggins @Nickfromwales Im also wondering, should the timber joists be sitting on a wall plate (timber) where they meet the concrete block work?
Nickfromwales Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, hmpmarketing said: noggins @Nickfromwales Im also wondering, should the timber joists be sitting on a wall plate (timber) where they meet the concrete block work? ? 'ng good, but I'm a bugger for lining up the noggins and dovetail nailing / screwing instead ofcend fixing the staggered runs. A treated timber would make life easier for pinning the joists and would give you something to fix a pelmet to if that would be aesthetically pleasing. It may cause issue though if you intend rendering up to a soffit board as there would be a 2" gap of timber between the blockwork and the soffit.
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: It may cause issue though if you intend rendering up to a soffit board as there would be a 2" gap of timber between the blockwork and the soffit. makes sense, and yea, we will be rendering up to board, so I guess I would have to use angle brackets to connect the joists to the masonry.
Mr Punter Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 How do you plan to achieve the required fall? Timber firrings are normally cheapest. Not sure where the gutters will be.
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: How do you plan to achieve the required fall? Timber firrings are normally cheapest. Not sure where the gutters will be. Plan would be to me the walls a different height to achieve the angle, gutters would probably be at the rear wall
Nickfromwales Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, hmpmarketing said: Plan would be to me the walls a different height to achieve the angle, gutters would probably be at the rear wall You'll have a sloped ceiling then . Much easier to whack everything in flat and put firring pieces on.
hmpmarketing Posted August 16, 2018 Author Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: You'll have a sloped ceiling then . Much easier to whack everything in flat and put firring pieces on. The joists are running the 8m, and I want the slope to the rear, where the firring timber would sit on?
Nickfromwales Posted August 16, 2018 Posted August 16, 2018 The firring pieces would sit whichever way you want the fall.
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