Ceiling mount fan coil search…

[G and J]

We need a fan coil, in our bedroom.   It was always part of the plan, so we have ‘lecky and pipes laid ready, but I can’t find one.   I know that sounds dumb and maybe I am missing something obvious.

 

But I can’t find one.  So I need help.

 

The brief: a 2 pipe fan coil which can be hung from a ceiling.  Needs to be less than a meter wide.  

 

I identified the Myson iVector 2, which may have been perfect, but that’s not available, and they can’t even predict when it will be.  And I simply can’t find an alternative.  Help!

[JohnMo]

Cool Energy do them. Panasonic and Daikin maybe, pretty similar to the Myson iVector 2. Have a look at Orion Air sales also they do a range of them.

[dpmiller]

hung from a ceiling- are you doing cooling and have you got a condensate drain?

[G and J]

Yes, hung from a ceiling; to do cooling and no condensate drain, plan to run above dew point

[Nickfromwales]

4 hours ago, G and J said:

Yes, hung from a ceiling; to do cooling and no condensate drain, plan to run above dew point

This unit would need to be able to run independently, so plan the controls well, and manage your expectations of efficiency and ‘short-cycling’ even better.

 

These things should have been ‘on the M&E menu’ at day dot tbh.

[G and J]

11 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

These things should have been ‘on the M&E menu’ at day dot tbh.

It was, and I identified the unit I intended to buy.  Just not available.  Sigh.  I’ll get there.  

[Nickfromwales]

26 minutes ago, G and J said:

It was, and I identified the unit I intended to buy.  Just not available.  Sigh.  I’ll get there.  

Respectfully, you need to include a contingent, when planning a home for life.

 

Filed under “shit keeps happening”. 

Explore early, discuss in advance, resolve, progress.

 

Zero reason to fail if you prepare afaic.

[nikotime]

Jaga Briza do ceiling mounted fan coils. Currently getting a quote for my build. 

[G and J]

8 hours ago, Nickfromwales said:

Respectfully, you need to include a contingent, when planning a home for life.

 

Filed under “shit keeps happening”. 

Explore early, discuss in advance, resolve, progress.

 

Zero reason to fail if you prepare afaic.

I know who is to blame.  Little, round, bald guy with a dodgy sense of humour.  He got lumbered with the labels of Principal Designer and Principal Contractor but his real talent was as Head of Global Operations for On Site Catering and Sweeping. 
 

Humph.  One tries….

[JohnMo]

13 minutes ago, G and J said:

I know who is to blame.  Little, round, bald guy with a dodgy sense of humour.  He got lumbered with the labels of Principal Designer and Principal Contractor but his real talent was as Head of Global Operations for On Site Catering and Sweeping. 
 

Humph.  One tries….

That's no way to talk about @Nickfromwales

[G and J]

15 minutes ago, JohnMo said:

That's no way to talk about @Nickfromwales

If you think Welsh Nick is going to replace me as tea boy and cleaner you’ve got another thing coming.  I’ve got a talent and I’m going to use it!  
 

One lump or two?

[G and J]

45 minutes ago, nikotime said:

Jaga Briza do ceiling mounted fan coils. Currently getting a quote for my build. 

Brilliant. Thank you.  
 

I have googled and googled fan coils, fan convectors, hydronic terminals, heat pump convectors, and many other combinations and not seen them. 
 

I've had a look at their website, and it appears exactly what we need.  I’ve had the same conversation repeatedly, and been met with confusion when I’ve tried to explain what we are trying to do.  These guys appear to have already got it. 
 

@nikotime who are you getting a quote from?

[nikotime]

Simply via their website form, nothing fancy ! I’m a bit worried about cost, hoping for 6 units…. 

[JohnMo]

1 hour ago, nikotime said:

hoping for 6 units

You'll be digging deep in to the pockets. 

 

Have you considered a ducted unit or is that not practical?

[nikotime]

2 hours ago, JohnMo said:

You'll be digging deep in to the pockets. 

 

Have you considered a ducted unit or is that not practical?

Eek. I could in theory do 3x2 sets of ducts for ceiling recessed. Any recommendations for fan coils for that? Would that even work?

 

I did see megawave as the only other recessed ceiling in my travels. 

[G and J]

Our concern with recessed ceiling units was that we didn’t want to build in the need for loft access for maintenance.  I’m creaky enough as it is let alone in 15 years time as I approach my 9th decade!

[nikotime]

8 hours ago, G and J said:

Our concern with recessed ceiling units was that we didn’t want to build in the need for loft access for maintenance.  I’m creaky enough as it is let alone in 15 years time as I approach my 9th decade!

I’ve seen Megawave can be mounted on ceiling for their freestanding unit too - https://theheatpumps.co.uk/5kw-free-standing-fan-coil-unit-for-heating-cooling.html which will almost certainly be a lot cheaper than Java 

Edited 12 hours ago by nikotime

[JohnMo]

Think the mega wave stuff is straight out of China with a new badge. Would do an image search and see what comes up.

[nikotime]

35 minutes ago, JohnMo said:

Think the mega wave stuff is straight out of China with a new badge. Would do an image search and see what comes up.

Think you're right. 

 

I just recalled Clivet do a unit too which can be ceiling mounted: ELFORoom2. Looks a good price based upon the below which I got December last year and completely forgot about. Prices may have changed but relates to https://www.clivet.com/en/products/home-solutions/fancoils/elforoom2 and I got that via their contact form

 

[G and J]

3 hours ago, nikotime said:

I’ve seen Megawave can be mounted on ceiling for their freestanding unit too - https://theheatpumps.co.uk/5kw-free-standing-fan-coil-unit-for-heating-cooling.html which will almost certainly be a lot cheaper than Java 

I thought that.  When I contacted them they clarified that it’s only the concealed (i.e. naked) units that can be hung from a ceiling. 
 

The briza units are a lot more attractive. 

[G and J]

2 hours ago, nikotime said:

Think you're right. 

 

I just recalled Clivet do a unit too which can be ceiling mounted: ELFORoom2. Looks a good price based upon the below which I got December last year and completely forgot about. Prices may have changed but relates to https://www.clivet.com/en/products/home-solutions/fancoils/elforoom2 and I got that via their contact form

 

Well done Nick.  Will investigate.  

[JohnMo]

A quick image search brought up this - import duty and shipping to pay so not sure if the final price - but looks a different scale of price, many other came up also

[G and J]

1 hour ago, JohnMo said:

A quick image search brought up this - import duty and shipping to pay so not sure if the final price - but looks a different scale of price, many other came up also

I’m too much of a whimp.  I looked at one from Germany and apart from the unknown of import duties (thank you so much Brexit) the possible grief of maintenance worried me off of the idea. 
 

I would prefer to have a uk distributor who hopefully will carry spares for a good few years.  I can dream. 

[kevinm]

Systemair are another company that make a range or fancoils.

 

Why would you go to this much trouble and not fit condensate drains? The humidity was high this week, a big part of the discomfort in hot weather is high humidity. The dew point was 21C where I am on Thursday. You wouldnt get much cooling if you ran your flow temps at 22/23 degrees...

[G and J]

3 hours ago, kevinm said:

Systemair are another company that make a range or fancoils.

 

Why would you go to this much trouble and not fit condensate drains? The humidity was high this week, a big part of the discomfort in hot weather is high humidity. The dew point was 21C where I am on Thursday. You wouldnt get much cooling if you ran your flow temps at 22/23 degrees...

The basic premise of the design was a single circuit running above dew point to take the edge off heatwaves.   (Downstairs with the UFH that’s working a treat already). We took an active decision not to go for aircon type cooling.  
 

We don’t want wet floors so if we encompassed significant condensation on the fancoil(s) then that means a second circuit and a volumiser and, and, and….   And whilst that may be needed that’s not our first choice.  We want to keep it simple, and if my arithmetic is correct we only need a little cooling. 
 

One odd aside, we’ve found that we can sleep comfortably with the MVHR induced lower humidity at higher temperatures than we could have done in our old naturally aspirated house.   I’ve nicknamed the Zehnder “Life Support” but perhaps I should call it Turbo.