Bathroom waste run?

[Nickfromwales]

6 hours ago, Super_Paulie said:

wonder if its worth adding a rodding point to all 3 or if its easy enough to manipulate up or down from the main access in the middle of the 3? Could drill out and add removable caps i guess, my only access would be from directly behind the soil, not from the sides.

 

If it’s all boxed in, what is the (real life) point in bothering?

 

I’ve a much more convoluted arrangement that I buried into the floor(s) of my bathroom. 9 years of 2 adults, 4 kids, and everything you could ‘throw at it’, never a moments trouble.

 

How many toilet blockages have you had in the last 20+ years? And not the U bend of the WC pan, I mean in the pipework from the pan to the sewers…?

[Super_Paulie]

1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said:

If it’s all boxed in, what is the (real life) point in bothering?

 

I’ve a much more convoluted arrangement that I buried into the floor(s) of my bathroom. 9 years of 2 adults, 4 kids, and everything you could ‘throw at it’, never a moments trouble.

 

How many toilet blockages have you had in the last 20+ years? And not the U bend of the WC pan, I mean in the pipework from the pan to the sewers…?

 

Zero. At least nothing but a hair-burg I could get from the bath plug.

 

So you're saying don't bother with any rodding points or access ? I mean could keep one on the middle WC branch but then just box it all in, could always cut out the boxing if I need to.

Id always follow your good advice chief.

[Nickfromwales]

2 hours ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

Zero. At least nothing but a hair-burg I could get from the bath plug.

 

So you're saying don't bother with any rodding points or access ? I mean could keep one on the middle WC branch but then just box it all in, could always cut out the boxing if I need to.

Id always follow your good advice chief.

If I couldn't give good advice, I would give you zero advice.

 

I am on a 3 weekly rota for removing 8" long horse tails from my bath (shower over) plughole; 2 teenage girls with hair down their backs, and my plugholes......

 

Plumb as above, less any "access", and if that pipe blocks I will come there personally, FOC, and sort it.

 

Don't get lost in this; try this bit of advice instead: Tell your better half to chuck some glad-rags on, and just head out to the local for some wine & dine. You'll thank me afterwards. 🙂.

 

Life is too short, let the errant turds fight amongst themselves!

[Spinny]

Can't comment on pipes really.

I have a similarly sized small bathroom. I think you might want to consider whether turning the toilet through 90 to sit on the same wall as the basin would give a better layout ?

At the moment it looks like you are studding out from two walls - the basin wall, and the shower/toilet wall.

With the toilet alongside the basin you could just build a nice vanity unit with top at basin height. Our unit is 1.31 long. Our bathroom is just 1.96m wide and 2.05m long. 

[Super_Paulie]

3 hours ago, Spinny said:

Can't comment on pipes really.

I have a similarly sized small bathroom. I think you might want to consider whether turning the toilet through 90 to sit on the same wall as the basin would give a better layout ?

At the moment it looks like you are studding out from two walls - the basin wall, and the shower/toilet wall.

With the toilet alongside the basin you could just build a nice vanity unit with top at basin height. Our unit is 1.31 long. Our bathroom is just 1.96m wide and 2.05m long. 

 

problem i have with that is the shower is really close to your knees if i rotate it to face it. I did want it like that originally as it would mean 1 less bend in the 110mm waste.

[Nickfromwales]

19 minutes ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

problem i have with that is the shower is really close to your knees if i rotate it to face it. I did want it like that originally as it would mean 1 less bend in the 110mm waste.

You’re going to be bitterly disappointed when this works really well and doesn’t block. Lol. 

[Super_Paulie]

19 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

You’re going to be bitterly disappointed when this works really well and doesn’t block. Lol. 

 

dont worry Nick, one way or the other ive got an agreement for a FOC turd remover 🤣

[Nickfromwales]

10 minutes ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

dont worry Nick, one way or the other ive got an agreement for a FOC turd remover 🤣

One time use only!!!!!

[Super_Paulie]

6 hours ago, Spinny said:

Can't comment on pipes really.

I have a similarly sized small bathroom. I think you might want to consider whether turning the toilet through 90 to sit on the same wall as the basin would give a better layout ?

At the moment it looks like you are studding out from two walls - the basin wall, and the shower/toilet wall.

With the toilet alongside the basin you could just build a nice vanity unit with top at basin height. Our unit is 1.31 long. Our bathroom is just 1.96m wide and 2.05m long. 

 

 

i might be able to make that work...

 

[Nickfromwales]

45 minutes ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

i might be able to make that work...

 

You’ll actually need less room than you think. Would be a simpler solution too.

 

I’ll now say anything to avoid me having to do an ‘emergency callout’…..  

[-rick-]

On 15/05/2026 at 13:15, Super_Paulie said:

im looking at potential layouts for my small, 2.2m x 2.xm bathroom. Before i offer up any designs to the missus,

 

1 hour ago, Super_Paulie said:

i might be able to make that work...

 

I know this topic is mostly talking about waste but you did mention design as well. I have a some thoughts with the above if you don't mind:

 

1. Overall I like it. The window cill/shelf aligning is great. Maybe could carry that line through the nooks as well?

2. Medicine cabinet seems wrong. Maybe a thinner one mounted a bit higher to allow the wood to extend along to the edge of the bump out would be better?

3. Have you considered that the nooks (especially the one with exposed brick) may be a condensation issue? (depends how well insulated those bricks are). Condensation there + wood won't go well.

4. If you are having a bump out to cover the plumbing, consider a wall mounted tap for the sink. Looks great and easier to clean. More expensive though and need to consider how to access the connections.

5. Maybe a different sink? Seems like a horrible dirt trap between the back of sink and the wall.

[Super_Paulie]

27 minutes ago, -rick- said:

 

 

I know this topic is mostly talking about waste but you did mention design as well. I have a some thoughts with the above if you don't mind:

 

1. Overall I like it. The window cill/shelf aligning is great. Maybe could carry that line through the nooks as well?

2. Medicine cabinet seems wrong. Maybe a thinner one mounted a bit higher to allow the wood to extend along to the edge of the bump out would be better?

3. Have you considered that the nooks (especially the one with exposed brick) may be a condensation issue? (depends how well insulated those bricks are). Condensation there + wood won't go well.

4. If you are having a bump out to cover the plumbing, consider a wall mounted tap for the sink. Looks great and easier to clean. More expensive though and need to consider how to access the connections.

5. Maybe a different sink? Seems like a horrible dirt trap between the back of sink and the wall.

anything is on the table, im only in the early stages here but choices are limited in such a room, anything considered though. The only constants are the soil location and the window.

Ive made those changes, i did have the tap in the stud wall, the renderer took liberties and changed it for some reason. I didnt consider the condensation on the brick, cheers for that. I have a section of exposed brick in all the rooms ive worked on so far, bit of a call-out to the original house which i have essentially carved up. I would like to keep that, maybe an insulated board and then original bricks cut into slips...

 

[Spinny]

I am wondering where your entry door is ?

We rearranged what had been a very clunky old style sliding door, replacing it with a normal swing inwards door. By using a narrower door of 725mm, but the same height and design as other doors with the same architrave, you would likely never sense it being narrower. Reduces space for the door swing. Also by moving it 100mm off the corner we could slot a radiator behind the open door.

 

We have a bath with shower over, achieved by using a talentofil so the bath needs no tap space at the end. And it curves inward at one end. When I measured the length of the bathing recess it was the same as much longer baths.

 

Design looks nice. Quartz is used quite a bit now for bathroom worktops and shelves. Where is the soap going ? And maybe the shower entry could be at the near end ? And the heated towel rail ?

[-rick-]

2 hours ago, Super_Paulie said:

Ive made those changes

 

I'm surprised how much better that looks. I thought it would be an improvement but it's better than I imagined. Not sure if the mirror now ends up too high but it looks nice on the render.

 

Probably not worth too much further work until you are a bit further along. Still, do bear in mind trying to keep a single line going from the windowsill, through the second shelf on the nook*, through to the level of the nook in the shower and, bonus for points, to the level of the handle on the shower door

 

* You could adjust the lowest point of the nook to maintain spacing or switch to 3 shelves rather than 4.

 

2 hours ago, Super_Paulie said:

I didnt consider the condensation on the brick, cheers for that. I have a section of exposed brick in all the rooms ive worked on so far, bit of a call-out to the original house which i have essentially carved up. I would like to keep that, maybe an insulated board and then original bricks cut into slips...

 

Maybe. Not an area I feel knowledgable enough with to answer. Sure someone else can say more though.

[Super_Paulie]

the door is only 610mm and its bottom right looking at from the pictures above. Looking at it unhung it looks crazy narrow, but thats how its always been since 1930, i just replaced the old softwood one for the solid core oak alternative, the size is no issue.

 

Towel rail on the wall where the door opens up to most likely. If it ends up even remotely like these pictures i'll be happy.

[torre]

Have you considered swapping the toilet and sink positions? Shorter soil run, keeps toilet tucked away, better access to stuff on shelves when at the sink. Maybe run 32mm basin waste into the 50mm shower waste for one less connection at the stack. Personally I'd lean towards a rectangular shower following the room shape.

[Nickfromwales]

Narrower, longer rectangular tray and enclosure? Come right down to meet the towel rad; leave 150mm gap. 
 

That would generate more space opposite the WC.
 

What’s the width of the enclosure atm? 

[Nickfromwales]

Crossed with @torre, same idea!

[Super_Paulie]

all great stuff, thanks people.

See attached for a few top down options of flipping the bog and sink and shower change to a rectangle. The idea of the pentagon shower was to make it feel less cramped, but im not heart set on that idea at all, everything on the table currently. 

[-rick-]

Nice little benefit of moving the sink and mirror near the window will be that the mirror will much more reflect the light from the window and make the space feel a good bit brighter/larger I suspect.

[Super_Paulie]

looks a bit too cramped? this is with an 800mm wide shower rather than the 900 pentagon. I was thinking id need more space at the sink, hence moving it down "into the open" but still working on these ideas.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Super_Paulie

[-rick-]

That's quite a dark and moody nighttime render. Worth doing one for the morning view as well.

 

You look like you have plenty of space for a wide sink/table to put things on.

 

As for space, suspect space around the toilet is more useful in case of aging/disability than around the sink but in a room that size everything is going to be a trade off.

[Super_Paulie]

yeah its really tricky and more of a challenge than "fun" which i was kinda hoping for. It sort of brings me full circle to the toilet on the back wall again with the pentagon shower. Plenty of room for me to stagger to the toilet after Sunderland win the Eufa Cup. Window is in the wrong place which doesnt help me but theres not a lot i can do about that now.

[-rick-]

Have you tried putting the sink against that wall instead of the toilet? You might have to change the approach to the bricks (mirror where the nook is). Putting the toilet there means reducing insulation for the hidden cistern I think which could be something to avoid.

Edited 5 hours ago by -rick-

[Nestor]

Great visuals, @Super_Paulie.

I would try and max the shower base if possible, have you considered right hand offset tray?

I prefer WC on left of door and sink along the same wall, with a small space before the window.

If those tiles are 600mm possibly fit a 1200mm base.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Nestor