SteamyTea Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just spent a few days with my colonial cousins, one who lives in Walnut Creek, California. She is a very clever, ex banker, and fully qualified accountant, so hates paying for anything. Got chatting about energy bills and she said they were paying $1000/month. Now her house is a lot larger than mine, and they work from home now, so would be more expensive. Now I am home, I thought I would have a look at Californian prices. California prices are 58% higher than the national average, makes my penny per kWh rural surcharge seem quite reasonable. PG&E Rate Rate type Rate per kWh RESIDENTIAL TIME-OF-USE SERVICE FOR PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CUSTOMERS TOU 30-61¢ RESIDENTIAL TIME-OF-USE (PEAK PRICING 4 - 9 p.m. EVERY DAY)- All Electric TOU 36-61¢ Southern Californian Edison Rate Rate type Rate per kWh Option B Residence All-Electric Allocation TOU 18-77¢ Option DT - Single Family All-Electric Allocation TOU 34-59¢ Option DT - Single Family TOU 34-59¢ Time-Of-Use Residential (5-8 PM) Single-Family Residence TOU 29-82¢ Time-Of-Use Residential (Prime) All-Electric Allocation TOU 27-64¢ Option A Single-Family Residence All-Electric Allocation TOU 12-92¢ Time-Of-Use Residential Rate (4-9 PM) Single-Family Residence All-Electric Allocation TOU 30-66¢ Time-Of-Use Residential Rate (4-9 PM) Single-Family Residence TOU 30-66¢ Option A Single-Family Residence TOU 12-92¢ Option B Residence TOU 18-77¢ Data last updated by our partner WattBuy on Feb 8, 2026 San Diego and Electric Co Rate Rate type Rate per kWh DOMESTIC TIME-OF-USE FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ENERGY STORAGE, OR ELECTRIC HEAT PUMPS TOU 34-72¢ RESIDENTIAL - TIME OF USE SERVICE - DR TOU 29-53¢ COST-BASED DOMESTIC TIME-OF-USE FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES TOU 10-71¢ DOMESTIC TIME-OF-USE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING TOU 27-75¢ DOMESTIC TIME-OF-USE FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES TOU 21-70¢ DOMESTIC TIME-OF-USE FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH A SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM TOU 31-66¢ RESIDENTIAL TIME-OF-USE - DR2 All Electric TOU 28-68¢
dpmiller Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Am I right in thinking the standing charges/ delivery costs are much higher in the US?
SteamyTea Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 14 minutes ago, dpmiller said: Am I right in thinking the standing charges/ delivery costs are much higher in the US? Never go that far in the conversation. That is for another day with them, which I have no idea when it will be, but she is looking to retire to Spain, so less of a journey.
gravelrash Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Daughter lives in Trenton and Electricity is 12c per Kw/h and monthly charge is $6...she has 15Kw of panels which cost $30000 but then claimed a third back from state grant and a third back from Tax as well as capital allowance on full cost on federal tax. Her meter builds credits during over production then uses credits during lean times- so free battery! she gets carbon credits at $900/ year and end of year payment on any outstanding meter credits-which were $1200 last year. She has paid only $60 per year for the benefit of using the grid network. We are mugs in UK.... 1
SteamyTea Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 1 hour ago, gravelrash said: Trenton Ah, Trenton, PA, part of the rust belt. I lived in Meltdown Midtown, PA, slightly more classy. Unless she is on the NJ side.
Oz07 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Yes US leccy is a lot cheaper than ours. I think california is close to double the national US average leccy cost.
gravelrash Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 12/02/2026 at 11:43, SteamyTea said: Ah, Trenton, PA, part of the rust belt. I lived in Meltdown Midtown, PA, slightly more classy. Unless she is on the NJ side. NJ side but close to Princeton University for work...personally I think US is a Sh**hole, but a lot of the UK is too...
Alan Ambrose Posted February 18 Posted February 18 But...AI datacentres are slurping up all the leccy and the ram and the hard drives ... so maybe not for long: Western Digital Has No More HDD Capacity Left, as CEO Reveals Massive AI Deals; Brace Yourself For Price Surges Ahead! https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/7times-memory-price-surge-threatens-telcos-broadband-router-set-topbox-supply
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