Interesting couple of days with the new heat pump.

[JohnMo]

You can work it out knowing your heat loss and then W/m²

 

Just use this as a baseline, you may need to extend the W/m² and the MWT - mid way between flow and return temperature.

[SimonD]

24 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said:

because there is a hint the heat goes up when the temperature goes up

 

This could just be the shift settings need adjusting but at the moment, if you've got min set to 28 and max at 32, your curve is definitely too flat. What's the calculated flow temp and min outdoor air temp? And what is your calculated heat loss at this temp? You can simply calculate your heat co-efficient W/K to establish a baseline curve at all relevant temps.

[TerryE]

Mike, it looks very much as I'd expect, that is no surprises.  I did warn you about the consequences of the 185s before you poured concrete but that conv obviously went into the information overload bin, but this falls into the 'it is what it is' category rather than something that needs fixing.  The main consequence is that the flow speed is double what it would have been, with the increased circulation noise, and hit on your pump life. 

 

Your return temp is still 5°C more than room temp, so the avg slab surface temp is prob 7⁺°C warmer than the room env, and so you are dumping ~100W/m² from the slab into the house, which seems to be heating the house by maybe 5°C per day.  That's a hell of a lot for a passive class house, and you'll need nothing like that once the internal fabric is at target temp.

 

You might want to experiment setting the house set-point to say 18°C and let the system reach equilibrium, leave a day or two; then step up the set-point another °C; rinse and repeat.  That way you aren't going to be stressing anything too much.

Edited 5 hours ago by TerryE

[MikeSharp01]

3 hours ago, TerryE said:

I did warn you about the consequences of the 185s before you poured concrete but that conv obviously went into the information overload bin, but this falls into the 'it is what it is' category rather than something that needs fixing. 

Yes I recall now you mention it. To be fair the heat pump is, for the most part working well. The house is over warm now, so I have turned it off until I can get some more info from the manufacturer about controlling the curve. As it stands although I thought I had control of the two endpoints on the 'custom' curve I don't so I am awaiting an update on how to get control of it. I did think today, in the midst of my frustration with this, that now I have my MCS certificate I should just pop a Willis heater in to run it when the output required is less than the heat pump minima - how cheeky would that be?

[JohnMo]

14 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said:

should just pop a Willis heater in to run it when the output required is less than the heat pump minima - how cheeky would that be?

Think you maybe over thinking stuff.

 

A heat pump cycling is a reasonably normal thing. If it runs for 10 to 15 mins it over comes any startup losses. As long as it's not 5 mins later you have no issues. Quick restarts are down to setting startup dT correctly. Don't get bogged down, thinking it's bad in mild conditions. It isn't.