Guardian article on planning reforms

[mjc55]

Interesting read here Planning reform article

 

 

[twice round the block]

I can't quite understand some planning decisions. 

ie.

Let's demolish all the street's of back to back terraced houses as they are not environmental or socially good.

 

Instead we'll build 15 story high flat's and apartment blocks in their place. 🤔

[Dave Jones]

typical loonie leftie crap.

 

Compulsory buying land from housebuilders to 'force' them to build. Who will be doing the building ? taxpayers paying over the odds adding to the ever increasing blackhole.

 

The biggest issue is the civil servants blocking everything, planning application should take 8 days not 8 months. Which will only happen if its privatised.

 

2 tier kier is done for. spraying cash at the unions strikes like its going out of fashion whilst robbing pensioners.

 

will end like it always ends with leftie governments, one almighty expensive mess to be cleared up.

[TommoUK]

planning bureaucracy and delay is the biggest constraint to housing delivery...LPA's will tell you they approve the majority of applications but thats because they don't include applications they don't validate !

..strip back the layers don't keep adding to them..

..BNG for example, despite its good intentions, has just added another layer ..up to 8 weeks to discharge a pre-commencement condition (and thats after your 8 months wait for P/P)

[Mike]

7 hours ago, Dave Jones said:

Compulsory buying land from housebuilders to 'force' them to build. Who will be doing the building ?

With luck, at least some of it would be divided into lots so that small builders & self-builders can do some of the building. See also Investigation into suspected anti-competitive conduct by housebuilders: https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/investigation-into-suspected-anti-competitive-conduct-by-housebuilders

 

Although I don't think that housebuilders are the (main) target. More likely it's about buying up (mainly) agricultural / 'grey belt' land to build New Towns and the like. That's not far off what happened to acquire the land for the post-war New Towns (see the New Towns Act 1946), except the land owners then were only paid the agricultural value.

[Alan Ambrose]

At the moment, planning is a lovely windfall lottery for landowners, turning £10K of ag into £500K of ag with planning permission. Wonderful if you’re a landowner. The profit comes straight out of the pockets of the new house buyers but is 100% enabled by the state. By and large, landowners are part of the elite who get to make the laws which are so delightfully in their favour.

Edited August 16 by Alan Ambrose

[Alan Ambrose]

So, it’s fairly obvious that the windfall profit should be shared with the state, maybe 1/3rd landowner and 2/3rds state? The profit to the council can be used for social housing and streamlining the planning process. Not rocket surgery, And yes, compulsory purchase for land in and around towns or villages. The profit to the landowner (say, £150K an acre) will be ample for them to purchase more ag land if they want.

Edited August 16 by Alan Ambrose

[LSB]

32 minutes ago, Alan Ambrose said:

So, it’s fairly obvious that the windfall profit should be shared with the state, maybe 1/3rd landowner and 2/3rds state? The profit to the council can be used for social housing and streamlining the planning process. Not rocket surgery, And yes, compulsory purchase for land in and around towns or villages. The profit to the landowner (say, £150K an acre) will be ample for them to purchase more ag land if they want.

not adjoining their existing land and land away from the farm is never going to be farmable due to the issue with moving the equipment needed.

There is little ag land available except in huge parcels as farmers give up, getting 5 acres of good ag land by your land is like finding hens teeth.

[IanR]

46 minutes ago, Alan Ambrose said:

So, it’s fairly obvious that the windfall profit should be shared with the state, 

 

And perhaps they could call it CIL, SDLT and Capital Gains Tax.

 

@ 50 average sized (88m²) dwellings per hectare at £135/m², CIL raises £594,000 for the Council + 5% SDLT to central government, which comes straight off the Land Value, paid to the Land Owner, who then pays (Sale price - £25,000 - business offsets) * 28% CGT.

You'd struggle to find another business asset that gets taxed as highly comrade.

[twice round the block]

The Church being the largest and richest landowner in the country currently has applications going through in different locations for 8000 homes plus a land bank for another 30.000.

Ask them if they've got any self build plots available.