Ferdinand Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: And that is why I pick up on it so often. If this online community wants to be taken seriously, then a good start is to use correct terminology. None talks about the joules when they talk about 'life energy', it is because they talk bollocks and can't count. I wonder what happens at the start of a sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: I wonder what happens at the start of a sentence? It is all documented what to do. https://www.npl.co.uk/si-units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Smart Meter ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Smart Meter installed, and after a couple of days has connected itself to the Octopus electrical service. It turns out that mine is a Chameleon ID3 display unit, and that it displays the amount of electricity going through the meter in both directions - which when exporting gives me the *Net* amount of export. This is on the "Now" screen. (Which means of course that I cannot disaggregate how much my house is actually using). When exporting it displays a symbol of an arrow going into a pylon. There is a chat about the symbol on the Bulb forums here: https://community.bulb.co.uk/t/pylon-symbol-on-smart-meter-monitor/54932 This is the home screen appearance of the IHD3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: This is the home screen 16p/kWh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, SteamyTea said: 16p/kWh That's the illustrative graphic from the Octopus website just to help bods here identify the particular display version I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, Ferdinand said: That's the illustrative graphic from the Octopus website just to help bods here identify the particular display version I have. Right. They need to update it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Interestingly Octopus have now started including Rishi's £400 in my payment balance estimates. Apparently I will owe £900 more having received another £400. This does feel like future taxation policy. A difference of £1300. (The Beta uses the extra 65% on prices from October by the look of it.) Looks like I need to reduce my gas usage by 60-70% this winter. Before: After: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscotland Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: Interestingly Octopus have now started including Rishi's £400 in my payment balance estimates. Apparently I will owe £900 more having received another £400. This does feel like future taxation policy. A difference of £1300. Odd that they show it reducing your monthly payment (implying your direct debit will go down when prices go up). It would surely make more sense for them to show your DD staying as-is and then take the £400 on top, would give a much more realistic picture and make the debt balance look a bit less scary. Edited July 28, 2022 by andyscotland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, andyscotland said: Odd that they show it reducing your monthly payment (implying your direct debit will go down when prices go up). It would surely make more sense for them to show your DD staying as-is and then take the £400 on top, would give a much more realistic picture and make the debt balance look a bit less scary. It's a bad mismatch with poor data, as my current value used is £40 not £67, and I aim to reduce my gas usage (quantity) by around 60% this winter compared to last. And my current payment is £65 not £137. In Jan this year I had to recover a whole year's worth of electricity charges, as the estimates had been double for a year :-). I think they are misestimating the solar generation. Since the Smart Meter went in, they know that I am only using about 90p a day of electric. The display still has to connect to the gas meter, and I may need to move it to the hall. I just stuck it outside for half an hour next to the meter to see if it will catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Ferdinand said: In Jan this year I had to recover a whole year's worth of electricity charges Just checked my account, seems I am £0.75p in credit. No sign of 400 quid in my account, but new bill is due end of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Due in 6 instalments from Oct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscotland Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Ferdinand said: It's a bad mismatch with poor data, as my current value used is £40 not £67, and I aim to reduce my gas usage (quantity) by around 60% this winter compared to last. And my current payment is £65 not £137. That is indeed poor data then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 3 hours ago, andyscotland said: That is indeed poor data then! Should say that that payment is set by me, not by them. For obvious reasons. F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Hmmm. It is now 10 days since the Octopodule Smart Meter went in. Elec is great, but gas has yet to connect - despite moving the Smart Display to within a few feet of the meter for some hours. It also lists 2 gas meters, and is telling me my use is up by 1600 times since last week. Kinks to be ironed out, and I think I need to talk to them after the 2 week allowed from connection has expired. Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 The news here is that the Octopus website claims to have connected to my gas meter since 7/8. They are now telling me that my gas usage is only up 829x since last week. Still needs to feed through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscotland Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Seems like their systems need to apply a bit of "does that seem plausible" validation to incoming readings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 The gas meter now reports that it has successfully connected as of yesterday. So now it needs to reach the display. 80W elec baseload by the look of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: 80W elec baseload by the look of it. Really should be called parasitic load. Base load makes it sound acceptable. 80 W us almost 2 kWh a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Really should be called parasitic load. Base load makes it sound acceptable. 80 W us almost 2 kWh a day. Part of that is fridge and freezer, which are not parasitic. But yes, needs a bit of further investigation. And of course the solar is able to cover that during daylight for essentially the entire year. Abracadabra now the parasitic load is only about 40W ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: Abracadabra now the parasitic load is only about 40W ! Probably fridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Probably fridges. Mainly, I think. I think the two will be about 400 kWh per annum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 18/07/2022 at 16:10, SteamyTea said: Very much not random. The k is always lower case, the W always upper case, the h is usually lower case, but as it is not an SI, or even a derived unit, can be either. Convention has time as always lower case, so t for time, s for seconds. S, is allowed at the beginning of a sentence. Indeed. If the unit symbol is named after a person it’s capitalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kelvin said: Indeed. If the unit symbol is named after a person it’s capitalised. Can I call you 273.15? Or do you prefer 283.15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Can I call you 273.15? Or do you prefer 283.15 U+004B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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