Permitted dev on out building

[Pocster]

Hi all,

 

As the title says; is this the same for domestic dwellings and out buildings?

i.e. could I extend my out building under permitted development rules ??

 

thanks in advance

[Jeremy Harris]

First off, you don't get any Permitted Development rights until after the house is complete, if it's a new build.  This means that technically you can't even put a shed in the garden until the house is complete, although in practice planners will often turn a blind eye to something that would have been PD post-completion.

 

After the new build is completed, and assuming that PD rights haven't been rescinded as a part of the planning approval, you can erect outbuildings, and then extend them, as long as they stay within the PD rules with regard to height, area, distance from a boundary etc.

[IanR]

Do the out buildings currently have a residential use? What was the site previously?

 

If currently residential and will be within the cutilage of the new build then as per JSH says:

 

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings

 

[Pocster]

4 hours ago, JSHarris said:

First off, you don't get any Permitted Development rights until after the house is complete, if it's a new build.  This means that technically you can't even put a shed in the garden until the house is complete, although in practice planners will often turn a blind eye to something that would have been PD post-completion.

 

After the new build is completed, and assuming that PD rights haven't been rescinded as a part of the planning approval, you can erect outbuildings, and then extend them, as long as they stay within the PD rules with regard to height, area, distance from a boundary etc.

Sorry; this is an existing build and outbuilding.....

[Pocster]

3 hours ago, IanR said:

Do the out buildings currently have a residential use? What was the site previously?

 

If currently residential and will be within the cutilage of the new build then as per JSH says:

 

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings

 

It's tricky. The outbuildings use (previous to our purchase) was a "games room". I did rent it many years ago and got an enforcement notice to stop as it wasn't an authorised "change of use". 

[IanR]

So what use does the LPA consider it to be? 

[Pocster]

20 minutes ago, IanR said:

So what use does the LPA consider it to be? 

At this point in time a games room 

I want it to be a granny annex 

so assuming I got planning for change of use could I then extend it under pd rights ?

[IanR]

There's a lot of rules, you need to do some reading.

 

Residential PD applies to out buildings (detached from the main residence) that are incidental to the use of the dwellinghouse, but does not normally include residential use such as self-contained accommodation.

 

I'm no expert but I believe you would need to apply for permission for Change of Use, and you could at the same time apply to extend.

 

But seek professional advice, you maybe able to extend the games room under PD, and then obtain permission for the Change of Use.

[Ian]

Just a quick note to say that PD rights are not the same everywhere. They are reduced if your house is in an AONB or National Park.

[Onoff]

6 minutes ago, Ian said:

They are reduced if your house is in an AONB or National Park.

 

Tell me about it! Add in Site of Special Scientific Interest.....

[Temp]

 

 

8 hours ago, pocster said:

It's tricky. The outbuildings use (previous to our purchase) was a "games room". I did rent it many years ago and got an enforcement notice to stop as it wasn't an authorised "change of use".

[Temp]

You need PP for "separate use" but not "use incidental to the main dwelling". Renting it out as a totally separate dwelling needs PP. Renting it out as a room with shared use of the kitchen in the main house would be incidental use not needing PP.

 

That said see the last two paragraphs down here...

 

http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1209098/conversion-garages-outbuildings-ancillary-residential-use-q---dcp-section-104