Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) Stupidity on my part ! Instructions https://www.qssupplies.co.uk/bathroom-furniture-shower-taps/75877.htm# What I don’t understand is what stops the water going in behind the controls ? ( I don’t mean the face plate ) Sure I could stick some sealant around it - to stop water running behind the wall - but it could still go around the spindles . So white plastic ‘bits ‘ . A square chrome ‘collar ‘ - but that just sits in the hole - no fixing ; silicone again ?? Edited April 17, 2021 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Up the sides and across the top of the plate, with a bit of clear CT1 and NOT across the bottom. The spindles should have thin rubber o rings on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Up the sides and across the top of the plate, with a bit of clear CT1 and NOT across the bottom. The spindles should have thin rubber o rings on them. Yeah the plates not the issue . The only supplied o ring is really small ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, pocster said: ring is really small . Apparently that is a good thing. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 I might of (expletive deleted)ed up here ! Cant get knob grub screw to bite spindle ! Presume valve is too far back - can’t move it !! Only about 2mm short ! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Apparently that is a good thing. ? Don’t get what it goes around ? The spindle ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 Took this end off . By making the screw loose I can gain a few mm . But now of course it wobbles ! Is this a ‘standard’ fitting ? ( need a longer one ! ) . Or what’s a good way to ‘pack’ the end out to make it longer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 hour ago, pocster said: Don’t get what it goes around ? The spindle ??? Yup. Looks like you fitted the whole valve too far back. Those o rings grip the chrome cylinders which protrude from the valve, which makes the plate a friction fit usually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Yup. Looked at the pic close up ?. You’re a good 10-12mm shy of what would be the minimum ‘protrusion’ here Shirley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 @Nickfromwales got you . This ensuite valve I can’t move forward without smashing the wall apart ( ain’t going to happen ! ) . So can I ‘stick’ something on the end of those spindles to gain 15mm ?? Or anyone got some insane skills to ‘cut’ 15mm off the handles ! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 Main bathroom easy . Must of sub consciously anticipated an issue . Can simply push the whole fitting forward ! Can gain 10mm no issue ?? Ensuite though ... erm ..... can’t access from the rear !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 Emailed roper Rhodes ; they have a special email address for these issues im_a_twat@roperrhodes.ffs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 I googled shower valve extension and hot this https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORNAT-TEC382201-Chrome-Brass-Extension/dp/B000VT5LC2/ref=asc_df_B000VT5LC2/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=255483677928&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13751380042374131861&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007336&hvtargid=pla-420563073550&psc=1&th=1&psc=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tennentslager said: I googled shower valve extension and hot this https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORNAT-TEC382201-Chrome-Brass-Extension/dp/B000VT5LC2/ref=asc_df_B000VT5LC2/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=255483677928&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13751380042374131861&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007336&hvtargid=pla-420563073550&psc=1&th=1&psc=1 Yeah I saw those . Don’t see how it fits onto my spindles . Both are different ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 I feel your pain, did the same once but got away with it as it was a bar shower? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Every day is a school day mate. Tiles off, lick your wounds, put it right, stick tiles back on, go to pub. Short cuts always take 3 times longer. Just get it started now, you’ll be finished by tomorrow evening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Every day is a school day mate. Tiles off, lick your wounds, put it right, stick tiles back on, go to pub. Short cuts always take 3 times longer. Just get it started now, you’ll be finished by tomorrow evening. Noooooooooo ! Playing with the main bathroom one ( as it’s easy to adjust ) . Instructions show none of this but hey .... Black o ring on reverse - this makes sense ! . But the square chrome collar can still turn ! Edited April 17, 2021 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Don’t think about it. Just do it. Damage limitation is paramount, so get the grout out first surrounding the tiles you need to remove, WITHOUT RUSHING AND DAMAGING THE KEEPERS, and grind some Union Jack relief cuts in the ones which are going. Work slowly, and methodically, and use dust sheets galore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, pocster said: Noooooooooo ! Playing with the main bathroom one ( as it’s easy to adjust ) . Instructions show none of this but hey .... Black o ring on reverse - this makes sense ! . But the square chrome collar can still turn ! Your call. If this leaks a little, but long term, it’ll wreck the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Your call. If this leaks a little, but long term, it’ll wreck the place. You mean the bathroom one ? I can’t see where these o rings sit ( those collars are the only things with a ‘notch’ for something . The collars do have a o ring in them already ( which presumably goes against the spindle shroud ) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) Yup. Can you get the plates on so they’re both friction fit against the internal o rings of the plate inserts? The plates should stay on by themselves. Edited April 17, 2021 by Nickfromwales 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Yup. Can you get the plates on so they’re both friction fit against the internal o rings of the plate inserts? The plates should stay on by themselves. Ok . The square collar has an internal o ring which does indeed go against the spindle collar . It’s this other o ring I don’t get . Taking it all apart , putting it on the collar ( so it would have a o ring inside and outside ) it won’t fit in the face plate . You can see it’s mega tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 @Nickfromwales unless roper Rhodes come back with a mega solution to the ensuite valve being recessed to much I’ll smash the £&£&& tile out ! Got to make sure tile supplier still has some in stock first !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 The seals on the squares go on after you’ve put them through the plate. The inner o rings get a bit of your Saturday night smeared on them and friction fit over the remaining stubs of the chrome sleeves projecting from the brass valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, pocster said: @Nickfromwales unless roper Rhodes come back with a mega solution to the ensuite valve being recessed to much I’ll smash the £&£&& tile out ! Got to make sure tile supplier still has some in stock first !! This is why we keep a good few spares, don’t we......? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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