MortarThePoint Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I like playing with Excel to understand things and have knocked up a cost estimator for brickwork and blockwork labour. I hope that the figures in it are relatively conservative. A lot of the figures are finger to the wind, so let me know what you think. Ideally, it could prove a handy tool for others to get a feel for what the rough cost should be. Some of the main assumptions are highlighted and are: Day rates - I've used £200 for a brickie and £100 for a labourer. I chose round numbers as everyone's local rate will be different. Bricks per day - I've assumed 600 stretcher bond bricks/brickie/day which should be on the low side, so consistent with the quality level us lot typically want. Blocks per day - I've assumed just over 2 minutes per 100mm medium density block lay which gives 20m2/brickie/day. There are then speed factors for heavier or lighter blocks. That handles the area based work. There is a section for things that are on an item basis like windows, steels and chimney tops and costed on the basis of quantity and serviced brickie hours each. As examples, I have assumed that it takes: a brickie 2 hours to install all the extras needed for a window opening (i.e. cavity closers, lintel, cavity tray and weep holes) 2 brickies and a labourer half a day to install a moderately large steel beam a brickie 3 hours to install a wind post on the basis of them being uncommon on the job. As I said, the numbers are a starting point. It would be interesting to see if we could get some more realistic numbers in there though. ? Brickie_Labour_Cost_Estimator_BUILDHUBv0.xlsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I would allow more on your day rates Or less productivity per hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, nod said: I would allow more on your day rates Or less productivity per hour Thanks nod. That amounts to a higher cost per m2. Bear in mind a m2 price would often be quoted already having factored in time spent doing openings etc. 600 bricks a day doesn't feel a stretch if not doing openings etc, but I speak without much experience other than watching videos and laying bricks myself as if I have two left arms and someone turned out the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 The number of corners over 4 will affect the quotation. Another issue is how will bricks be lifted up to 1st and 2nd stage scaffolding. Have you costed in gables? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 If it is of help Rates where I’m working NW (not Manchester) £280-350 per thousand Block-work 20m2 Silo & Tele handler I would allow a bit more for a one off and most are making wages up if bad weather or any other hold ups Though tax incentives are better in a self build ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 My old man in Manchester @nod 250 on day work and 650 thou on brickwork. Was on for bardsleys before Xmas they went bust walked into another start pretty much straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Oz07 said: My old man in Manchester @nod 250 on day work and 650 thou on brickwork. Was on for bardsleys before Xmas they went bust walked into another start pretty much straight away. Is that £650 labour cost per thousand bricks laid? That's £39/m2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Oz07 said: My old man in Manchester @nod 250 on day work and 650 thou on brickwork. Was on for bardsleys before Xmas they went bust walked into another start pretty much straight away. 14 minutes ago, Oz07 said: My old man in Manchester @nod 250 on day work and 650 thou on brickwork. Was on for bardsleys before Xmas they went bust walked into another start pretty much straight away. You need it in Manchester We are only 30 mile away If we set off later than 530am it’s take two and a half hours to get there and park up If you find a car park in the city centre that takes vans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Yes labour only @MortarThePoint measured through openings. It's crazy they're coming our with over a grand a week with a bucket of tools and a few levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Oz07 said: Yes labour only @MortarThePoint measured through openings. It's crazy they're coming our with over a grand a week with a bucket of tools and a few levels... I'm clearly in the wrong line of work ? 250 a day and 650 per thousand bricks equates to 380 bricks a day which feels a bit pedestrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 No 250 a day on day work, basically anything bitty, overhand or where scaffold can't be loaded properly and it's hand to mouth. Where the lines can go up on a 50 long brick elevation it's pricework. In other words they are having their cake and eating it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: I'm clearly in the wrong line of work ? 250 a day and 650 per thousand bricks equates to 380 bricks a day which feels a bit pedestrian. A grand a week is a lot when you think most won’t have holiday pay or sick pay It’s not unusual to earn twice that in other trades Brickies deserve every penny in winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Oz07 said: No 250 a day on day work, basically anything bitty, overhand or where scaffold can't be loaded properly and it's hand to mouth. Where the lines can go up on a 50 long brick elevation it's pricework. In other words they are having their cake and eating it too I'm confused now. Is that 250 bricks a day then when the going is hard and then 650 bricks a day when running in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: I'm confused now. Is that 250 bricks a day then when the going is hard and then 650 bricks a day when running in? If he is working day rate then it's £250 each and every day. If it's price work then it's £650 for every thousand bricks built. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 As above 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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