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Do I detect a little iddy biddy bit of something akin to guilt in the back of your mind? Partners can be all too good at detecting the surreptitious (not to say gratuitous, or even highly revealing) insertion of the word 'need' into a sentence. Teenagers are past masters at it.

Keep the brats clean

Oi! Brats end up choosing our Old Folks Homes. Be nice to them (in public anyway)

Stop being so damn reasonable man !

As usual, elegantly written: captures my mood well.

@Nickfromwales, you've changed my mind. 9kW Electric shower. Now then: which one? Any ideas?

2 feet, ergo 20Kg.... No? Similarly 15Kg with your head : 10 with your forehead, 5 with your nose

Yes, and I remember one lad carrying one under each arm: off a suitable height lorry bed. Offloading in the rain, I tried, and failed spectacularly. I had wet trousers and wet boots on. That's when I learned about how cement burns.

In the spirit within which the post was intended, I hope, I had a careful look at the document to which your refer. Quite a few of us will, by now, be carrying niggles in various bits of our body. Guidance is always welcome. Reminders, useful. Useful because it points to what it is reasonable to expect. Here, in the context of self-building, it is a pointer to what we might reasonably expect of ourselves. I venture to suggest that our job is so challenging that if we were to worry about ourselves all that much, the job wouldn't even start, let alone get done. @ProDave, I think the issue is how much we lift in relation to where on our body: thus 25kg seems to be the most we are advised to lift: say a bag of cement tucked on our hip..... , well we have two of those and most of us I bet would tuck one under each arm - 50kg. That's a fair bit.

@MikeSharp01, we're using a pre-warmed supply for our Stiebel. Stiebel provide data sheets explaining how much they can raise the temperature of incoming water - can't find the datasheet now but when I do I'll post it here ( or link to it) . Ian

With just 8 of them left (equally distributed over their 2 containers) I have 2 in 10 fewer chances of digitectomy than almost anyone else. Now I must stir my stumps and get back to work.

Nail, head, bang on.

You mean Thermal Mass don'tcha?

Common issue here. If you can live in No 2 house, sell No 1 first, build, then sell No 2 If you can't live in No 2, caravan, sell No 1 FIRST , then build. Or, like many here, make it up as you go along because of national and local level policy changes during the course of the build. Ian

Which is exactly what has happened in our build; but by accident. We had an old piggery that would have fallen down during the piling process. So we would have had a minor disaster on our hands had we not taken it down (with permission). We are rebuilding it but 'cold'. 10 square meters that are proving to be very valuable indeed. The short walk out to the larder will be worth the trouble.

They do, and we know who they are.

Your middle name Churchill by any chance?

Right: got it: it's going in the wall. Now, where's that router?

Working in East Berlin and behind the Iron Curtain for a few years made me acutely aware of the difference of non Party Otto Normal Burgher, (The Average Joe) and a Party member (of any rank at all). In contract negotiations, it enabled Party Apparatchiks to say to me without a hint of shame '... We may be dealing with your company, but you are still a Class Enemy...' Otto Normal would never have said that. He might have thought it, but would not have shown it. If you haven't seen it, watch this film: it accords directly with my everyday experience. The Lives of Others. I even had a KGB minder - all of us who worked there did. Lovely jovial bloke; we went diving together on many occasions. Relating this to the thread: The Average Joe could ignore -had to- involvement with anything controversial, anything which might lead to Police involvement. I read that the person who carried out this bombing appears to have hinted at fringe behaviour '...But others had a different recollection. Mohammed Saeed, a senior figure of Didsbury Mosque and Islamic Centre, said Salman Abedi had looked at him “with hate” after he gave a sermon criticising Isis and Ansar al-Sharia in Libya...'. (Guardian online May 2017) In Germany (of the 1980s) such open (there, at that time '... hate-in-his-eyes...' would have been 'open' ) behaviour and might well have lead to the start of covert surveillance. We now know how all-pervasive surveillance was at that time. That'd be too much for today, for here. But ask 22 sets of parents, 22 families (apologies if I have the number wrong), all their friends and acquaintances. I really don't mind SIS or MI5 or the Police poking around in my Social Media. And I make myself change passwords fairly regularly, never open apparently pointless emails, let alone the attachments. That's all I can do. To adapt Timothy Leary : Switch On, Tune In, Think, Watch Out is all I recon we Otto Normal folk can do.

I can't answer your question @jamiehamy. But I am grateful to social media - a mask behind which many think they can hide - for exposing what's behind the mask. I read the same ugly, ill-informed diatribes on social media in German, French, Italian and Murican. It's not confined to the UK. Many are unaware how they expose their Id with a few unfiltered taps of a mobile phone keyboard. After all POTUS does, so what's wrong with splurging the contents of that sump which passes for a brain?

Sounds like a job for @JSHarris level of analytical skill. He might not be feeling well today.....

As a first step, what's wrong with that? Then find out why the summer by-pass appears not to be working.

The cowardice of attacking a group of young people -the softest of targets- takes my breath away.

Thought so, thanks. ian

Our services design shows plumbing runs in screed of the ground floor. A big bit of me wants to avoid that. There seems to me to be no good reason to run plumbing where I cannot access it easily and quickly. What have I missed? It seems too simple to just shove it in the ceiling space. Ian