nickw

Guys need some info recommendations, trying to come up with a ballpark costing for the first fix on all the plumbing. Looking through various posts and trying to make sense of everything. I need to do the work to keep all the costs down. Water is from borehole now, not the original mains. Is 10mm the norm for sinks/taps/loos Hep20 pipe or other How much should I budget for connections to 5 sinks/3 loos/2 showers/manifolds?/runs are prob 10-12m runs or shorter from mains entry. No idea whats good and or not, different recommendations on all posts it seems, I rather pay more for better stuff/longevity and of course ease of fitting. Help! house plans.pdf

Mine doesn't include weekly visit, if inc it's about £5100 plus mine is only 1 lift , looks to be about half your height, eaves are only at 3.2m ish. Just waiting on another few quotes. I figure I'll change a couple of things to get the cost down.

Yep seen a few on here and didn't want to resurrect an old one. What a minefield of costs scaffold is, in relation to price and their how they cost and other things. Had a "discussion" with them on how the cost needs to show labor separately for me to claim back, which approx amounts to %80 of costing. Does this seem expensive to anyone in the know. Weekly site visit @75 a visit plus. Any other hidden charges I need to watch out for? scaffold quote.pdf

The plan will hopefully go to original size 230 m2, plus upstairs "loft) of another 120 m2 so I used some calculation or other and it gave me a fairly big kw. But hey I really do know nothing and am learning all the time, I do realize that I cannot under size it for the build at any cost. I'm trying to cost everything for the mortgage company and isn't easy when I can't or haven't got the spec on everything I need. Steel roof beam for example, what load and so on. Does sometimes get a bit daunting on all the bits I need to know. Put something in front of me and I can build it, but ordering and knowing the parts ...hmmm

Guys I'm looking at these, any good?, its 12-14kw range that i'm looking at and I'd like a reliable and well tested one.

Thanks Guys all useful advice. More I think about it the more it looks to be borehole with its associated short term costs but long term gain. Now to get some eyewatering quotes. JS had a look at the link you sent ty for that, the ones listed nearby look to be approx 45metres, I know there are a couple around closer that arn't on the geo system. Could you Pm me with the contact for hydrologist you mentioned. Again Ta all, all advice is helpful.

thanks guys, Ferdinand to help answer the questions, I haven't completed on the land yet, I have an option running out out in about 2 months, The land owner has been great in all regards to his side of things, way leaves for electric on his , no problem no cost, putting in just under 2 k of water pipe , through hedges and so on, no problem no cost bar me doing the work (some with his help) and paying for all the gear. I had to move quickly on the land otherwise someone would have taken it and also taken the chance like I have and it's taken along time to find a viable, affordable plot so he was pretty good to give me an option, the option was in place subject to getting full planning off a q class already in place. However the original q class was awful and I guess it had put a lot of people off. Then there was the issue of a troublesome neighbor objecting to everything they possibly could. With all that in mind , planning went through no problem with some amendments I did to placate the neighbor. I didn't want to spend out money before planing was given as if it hadn't been I would not have gone ahead with the q class, so now I racing to catch up , order the electric and get on with the water. It was the landowner that originally has said "water wont be a problem" 99% laid on his land and the last bit by the other owner as I mentioned has everyone that sits that side of the land going through the land. All the properties I will be even remotely close to have problems with their water every year, so bits are dug up on a regular basis, mine was going to be new and hopefully done with zero issues for certainly a time to come. I cannot now with the planning in place re negotiate the land cost , as the owner is sitting pretty with full planning now. I see my options as 1. pay whatever the cost, so far £3 k in materials, plus sw water connection and infrastructure( yet to be told how much) plus now the legal stuff and whatever he quotes for his easement. total cost unknown yet. 2. Buy the land and sell onto to someone else with an unlimited budget, make some money on the deal as the value has gone up, take off expenses so far and time 12 months and walk away pretty pissed off with lessons learnt. 3. Borehole, costs unknown. Best guess 7-9k

Now need to get an easement for a water pipe, was told it would all be fine when I offered on the land and before I got planning, now told the land owner is fine but the last field to cross to the mains the different owner wants £750 just on solicitor cost x2 as I could be doing this with another property owner who can sort his water out once and for all. So 1500 quid just on legal and I'm waiting to hear what the chartered surveyor is advising the landowner of the actual easement charge. What do you reckon will be the cost?. Will cross 400 yards of sloping arable field, that already has umpteen pipes in it from others who have historically had it laid over the years in somewhat of a Devon style ( various pipes and multiple take offs from other pipes) best guess welcome.

Last update for this particular system , complete rubbish it seems. I have had umpteen promises that a registered installer that is actually doing one of these projects will call me so I can verify their credentials and also the "group" doing the offer. No calls and just promises. I have also had confirmation from Ofgem to quote " I am able to advise on specifically queried investors and I can confirm that we have received no application for a company called “MIN-GRID UK LTD”. Two of the requirements for an Investor to apply to become a Registered Investor is that they must be a member of one of the two consumer Codes, these are RECC and HIES and they must have a model contract approved by the code before they apply to become a Registered Investor with Ofgem. " So all in all does look like a complete scam of sorts. I have asked for the URIR and contract Id numbers and of course was promised them from "head Office" of course they did not materialize and once I queried this as it should be the easiest thing to supply.....no more emails or response so you can draw your own conclusion. So be aware if you see this one advertised, I would leave well alone.

I will indeed, soon as I can speak to someone that confirms this is happening and not just the company selling it.

Still can't decide which system to use. Just fed up with all the "we're better, rebar/no rebar, no propping/shuttering needed, pir vs graphite, local support, and all the sales patter. What I'd like is guarantee in writing that they will send enough material , I wont have a blow out if layed correctly, they will hold my hand on the first and second pour, they will find me local tradesmen who have experience in the pumping, rendering and anything else that is specialised to the icf and not just give out some names that in reality when I speak to them they are either too expensive or not really convenient for my area. Like a holy grail that isn't to be found. I haven't got the luxury of using a contractor and so any mistakes in time or materials is going to cost me.

Keep promising a call from actual installers, still nada , when it looks too good to be true it normally is. Can only presume it's an easy scam

Interestingly or not Uponor don't manufacture the pipe now, they put me onto Wavin (supposedly a manufacturer), they don't make it now they buy it in, they put me onto Radius ...they do manufacture it but wont do longer lengths, hmmm enough time spent on the phone now to inquiries followed by technical followed by not this technical dept the other one and then followed by nope we can't do it. I'll use the quote I have, pay the premium, and shut up and use a lot of joins happy days ahead ?

ty guys all info very appreciated

Farm is about 1500m mark, but he actually want to up his 25 to 32 as thats what im putting in , so kinda works as we use his wayleave and half the cost of the first 500m for trenching. Tried pipestock they were no good on any other lengths

Also is it worth signing up for an account with anyone to get the price down for stuff like this , got some bm accounts but their costings dont make it worth it to but all the fittings , thinking one of the plumbing or specialist places might be better if anyone has a recommendation?

The info I have from south west says I can have up to 32mm , looking to reduce at the house down to 25 to up the pressure after such a long run, least im hopeful this is how it'll work.

I'm struggling to actually find who the manufactures are, I worked out the 500m would weigh about 140kg so 2 of us should manage that but yup wouldn't want to go bigger unless hiring a cable drum trailer which I'm trying to avoid. I'm laying the first part with the farmer , he is laying 500 odd metres of a new line as he'd like 32mm aswell, so hopefully it'll be easier if we use his handler or anything else we need, thereafter I'll ask nicely for some help on some nice days. The Mrs read this post and yes agreed she isn't going to be doing it with on any! afternoon. If anyone can point me in the direction of the manufacturer I would be eternally grateful and will make some calls tomorrow.

Has anyone got any contacts for buying longer lengths of this. My lay has just gone up from 1000m to 1950m, and I'd like to lay the pipe with the least amount of joins in it. I've one quote for for pipe in 500m lengths, £996 ex vat plus 100 delivery for 2 500m. For heaving it around 500 is going to be the max length but struggling to find anyone else that will quote over the norm lengths of 150m or less. Also by using at least 1 long length I can avoid a wayleave cost which started at free and turned into I'll speak to the solicitor to get a cost. I know using the plasson joins should be ok but less joins has got to be better if possible. I will be using stopcocks for each join just so I can section off and test each part if any leak does arise. So does anyone know anywhere, I have googled and spoken to most of the suppliers that do come up and just getting "nope either 100 max or some 150m max" Awaiting the breadth of knowledge that sits on this forum. Ta Nick

Yup I agree Ian with all of that, all of the guys I have dealt with from all 3 suppliers have been great. As for re-order, quality and support It's a learning curve I will definitely experience.

I'm in exactly the same boat, what to use, velox, durisol, isotex....at the moment isotex is coming out ahead, on cost and the product. Also no bba approval but at the moment the european ce should be fine. The quality does look better than the durisol, ex durisol employees selling the product as close as "copying" will allow but making improvements where needed, at least that how it seems to me. My quotes are coming at Isotex cheapest, Durisol waiting to see if they will match and also velox waiting to see if matched. Each ones sells their own "pros" for their product , it might "uk based" or "included overage" or "buy back, unused blocks" or "local support" I've listened to them all and still can't decide. I leading towards isotex as I said, my reasons are it looks and feels better as I was at swindon the other day, size is nice for self builder, hasn't got a gazillion ties to place and or cut for plastering afterwards. It's smoother and possibly will save me on rendering cost. Lastly all the"promised" support from all suppliers may not amount to anything unless more money changes hands, of course from my hands to theirs not the other way around and i'm sure it'll be my fault I need more product and so means I might as well go for the lowest quote and in my case the best quality ( my novice opinion) and any extra cost would/will happen with any of them.

It's what I was going to use for belt and braces approach if I do battens.

yup ?

Ive used automotive double side foam tape for years, once on its waterproof and something like this could work as a nailing strip plus reasonable in 50 meter lengths. Used to get it from tapes direct , looks like they have changed/sold/bust , so found this supplier. The width I've used was 50 or 60mm but haves seen lots of different widths. https://www.psasolutions.uk.com/product/19mm-x-50-metre-automotive-double-sided-polyethylene-foam-tape

Any more feedback on this? I've asked them for evidence that any installs have happened or are happening and as of yet no evidence is forthcoming. I've been told a project manager of an install will call me, so far nothing. All seems to good to be true.