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Building regulations after full planning
kandgmitchell replied to PSC88's topic in Building Regulations
You have in effect contracted out of using the Local Authority building control service so they will not be issuing any documentation other than to confirm the Initial Notice from your appointed building control provider is satisfactory. That is a simple administrative process and has no reference to the design. Your chosen private company will confirm their satisfaction with building control matters, probably directly to your architect if they submitted the scheme. -
That reference in the first column - DEXBN I would assume to be Domestic Extension Building Notice. Thus there will be no deposited plans of the works and the site inspection notes of the officer/inspector involved would be the only formal records of what has been done. In your case I would echo the advice above, ask for the completion certificate although that conversion is 20 years old and if there are no obvious problems you may wish to take a view.... The chance of enforcement action after all this time is vanishingly small. How much do you want the property?
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Batteries in plant room and 120 minute fire rated walls
kandgmitchell replied to jimseng's topic in Energy Storage
The opening post was about being told by a BCO that 120 minutes fire resistance was needed for battery storage. Since the purpose of the regulations is to secure the health, safety and welfare of persons using the building (extended somewhat by mission creep to Parts L, S, R etc.) then being required by using statutory powers to go beyond the usual 30 minutes FR for two storey dwellings would seem excessive without the authority to do so. The occupants should have evacuated and fire fighters would not have to be inside. However, that is not to say that the OP shouldn't consider upgrading the fire resistance for their own property protection but that is entirely up to them, not the whim of the BCO who may personally think it's a good idea (and I'm not necessarily arguing that it isn't). -
Batteries in plant room and 120 minute fire rated walls
kandgmitchell replied to jimseng's topic in Energy Storage
The Regulation is Regulation 4 which says: (1) Subject to paragraph (2) building work shall be carried out so that— (a)it complies with the applicable requirements contained in Schedule 1; and (b)in complying with any such requirement there is no failure to comply with any other such requirement, except as may be provided for in paragraphs (1C) and (1D)]. The Requirement in Schedule 1 is repeated in the Approved Document B and is then interpreted in detail within the document. The requirement says; Internal fire spread (structure) B3. (1) The building shall be designed and constructed so that, in the event of fire, its stability will be maintained for a reasonable period (2) A wall common to two or more buildings shall be designed and constructed so that it adequately resists the spread of fire between those buildings. For the purposes of this sub-paragraph a house in a terrace and a semi-detached house are each to be treated as a separate building. (3) Where reasonably necessary to inhibit the spread of fire within the building, measures shall be taken, to an extent appropriate to the size and intended use of the building, comprising either or both of the following— (a) sub-division of the building with fire-resisting construction; (b) installation of suitable automatic fire suppression systems. Paragraph (3) seems to cover it but there is no specific mention of battery systems as things haven't caught up yet. However, since 30 minutes fire resistance for houses generally is regarded as "reasonable" I think 120 minutes would be hard to justify, given that that level of protection is only required to the largest of multi-storey buildings that also have sprinkler systems installed. -
Batteries in plant room and 120 minute fire rated walls
kandgmitchell replied to jimseng's topic in Energy Storage
Just ask him where in Part B this is mentioned....... -
Well you're not in England so can't comment on your regs but here if you add a further storey then you have to upgrade fire precautions etc. the regs do not clarify what use that storey is to be put to. In more general terms that's going to be a lot of work and expense to get from the upper picture to the lower, would it be worth it for less than 5 years..... and those slates look old.....
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I'd say that depends on the building. For a simple rear extension say,he BC drawings would expect to show the foundation arrangement, floor and wall construction and the roof structure and covering with a lot of that covered by specification notes and probably one or two sections. Most builders would know what to build to meet the regulations but would expect to be told beam sizes and any unusual requirements. Otherwise they probably wouldn't bother with the drawings once the extension layout had been agreed so construction drawings would be rare. For a more complex building BC may ask for more details but again quite a lot would be covered by a written specification that showed how the building would comply. However, if the client wanted say fancy brickwork details then construction drawings would be needed to show to whoever was building it, how those details needed to be set out. In a similar way construction drawings may be needed to illustrate a complex structural layout which is beyond what the average builder would be expected to know. So, in short BC drawings would cover the basics; showing how the proposal would comply with the Building Regulations. Construction drawings would go that bit further into the detail of how the building is to be put together to get what the client wants. In either case I would expect the blockwork to be specified in order to show a) it's use in external walls met the thermal regulations and b) it's use was appropriate for the loadings expected from the structure.
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Do it yourself - it's not difficult just a bit tedious and as @cjsparkey says you do discover some of the paperwork you've been keeping is a bit dog eared and maybe not entirely clear. However, they did reduce our claim stating they were missing invoices (but we had uploaded them), we uploaded them again and they paid those out without question.
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Another VoC. Take a punt and just start?
kandgmitchell replied to flanagaj's topic in Planning Permission
Exactly, we're one of two houses along a length of farm road so who's going to worry/even know the ridge height is a bit higher than approved. It's about being aware of what impact any unauthorised change will have and even if it does have net curtains wobbling, whether the planners will be p...d off enough to take any action. -
Another VoC. Take a punt and just start?
kandgmitchell replied to flanagaj's topic in Planning Permission
I doubt if the height one would even get noticed. Not easy for a planner/man in the street to measure to the ridge when completed. I got planning with stated height of 7580mm, the final design when engineered out was nigh on 7900mm. I didn't go back to revise. It's been 18 months since completion and no-one has commented, indeed everyone has been complimentary. As for pulling the corner forward I'd probably just do it and say you were supporting the neighbour by doing it. I think one has to consider the circumstances carefully. Would there be a reasonable objection to either of these minor changes that if proposed originally would have jeopardized the approval of the scheme? If not then in the worst case a revised application should deal with it. If it might, then I would be more circumspect. My detached garage for instance was approved with a pitched roof. We thought of buying a kit which my wife liked but it was a modern style (as the house is) and had a flat roof. Since it sat close to the road and may have raised a few eyebrows in this rural parish, I varied the condition that said build as per the approval so as to include the flat roof design just to be cautious. @DevilDamo will rightly say that by not complying with the condition to build as per the approved drawings, could put the approval at risk but what's life without a little jeopardy? -
Just checking - is this a loft conversion of an existing two storey dwelling?
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What is this made of? Ceiling wood fibre board type stuff
kandgmitchell replied to paro's topic in Building Materials
Does look like wood fibre board to me also. -
That's the joy of planning! No-one is able to say exactly what will get approved but some may well take the easy route and direct you down the path of least resistance. That's fine if you get what you want but you will do this only once on this site. If the architect you like is in tune with your ideas and is easy to work with then that goes a long way. Don't get bullied into engaging a planning consultant if the architect is confident in their grasp of local policies and can justify their design complies. I'd like to think most of this is common sense. Coming up with an outrageous scheme that doesn't suit the location, is patently overdeveloping the site and impacts on all the neighbours should be obvious to most people as being a potential problem. From what you describe this is not going to be a matter of planning principle as there is a dwelling there already, so this is likely to be a design led application rather than having to argue technical points of planning policy where a planning consultant would have a place.
