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Morning chaps- many thx for replies/ info. The vid looks remarkably like my house/ white bubbly crap stuck onto brick etc. So @PeterW I can use -a new one/ I'll bin this then- this tub mix stuff without having to add anything to make it a "render"? Can I just establish 1st, what render is. Is it just a term for the same stuff but for a different application? IE a render is usually a vertical-spread 'coat' on a wall face, ~2 cm depth. A mortar is to bond bricks together. But they are the same stuff. is this correct.. or not? Or for eg.. I pass a brickie who kindly gives me a bucket of mortar from his barrow/ he's laying bricks. I nip back in 10 mins. Can I then use this, up a ladder, as render? is this the correct stuff?

For eg: I repointed a bit of the old stone (slate) above the window where I found some old rotten mortar: picked it out, brushed bits out (I recall repointng doing labouring 30 yrs ago) repointed & has set hard. I dont recall any major difference to the mix consistancy, to a similar hole I did an hour later, which I can just rub off with my fingers.

You mean don't re-add water once its been around a short while & stiffens a bit? is that what 'knocking up' means?

But I can't do this each time weighing ~2 trowels of mix & then water.. its just a Q of mixing until its 'right'. I mean I can tell/ feel when its too sloppy, or too dry: you get it ok so it sticks to trowel, maybe moves a wee bit trying to slide off. I mean that sounds about right yes?

The dry mix certainly wasn't damp, it seemed just as dry as when new.. but.. we do have a phenomally damp climate here out in wildwestwetwales, I mean weirdly so. But then all my 0.5l mixes would be consistantly bad. I was watching a pro brickie t'other day (pissing him off asking a few Q's), on a site.. & his mortar was generally sloppier than mine with this stuff.

I guess if I was mixing say 0.5 litres of mortar, just for a bit of outside crumble I found as I went along (masonry painting was the main job Ive been doing whole front of my cottage).. & one mix was hard, then another seemed all brittle: then it has to be me & too much water & not the stuff too old? how long can I keep a tub like this for, & keep dipping in for ~2 trowels for, anyway?

Its basically just what do I use for 'render' to do a small area approx 0.5m square. in one go like my builder did. Ive picked all the loose rotten mortar & crumbling brick face bits (frost damaged?). I mean no point me buying a cement bag, 25kg of sand, 1kg lime (or whatever render is made from) & waste almost all of it. And what is render compared to mortar, or is it the same thing? And for the repointing.. is it the same mix as the render?

Is the mix old, or the house/ wall old? or is the mix damp? sorry Im not following your Q. appreciate the replies tho.

My builder though did the outside of the house, bigger patches but exactly same deterioration/ I'm just doing a bad bit round the sides they missed 2 yrs ago.. & it was just one thick coat they slapped on. A good job too. This is simply what I want to use, just about a fraction of the area.

I'm having 'schoolboy' errors using this stuff https://www.screwfix.com/p/cementone-general-purpose-mortar-5kg/36857?tc=AA4&ds_kid=92700034796463876&ds_rl=1241687&ds_rl=1245250&ds_rl=1249407&ds_rl=1245250&ds_rl=1247848&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIm-Ko4Zmo4QIVirftCh3DSQP5EAQYASABEgKhw_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds .. Ive used to patch a few outer wall spots of my house, badly crumbled away. My mix once applied, next day is crumbly itself: I can pick & rub it away like soft wet sand almost. What am I doing wrong? 1/2 the time Ive knocked up say a bowl-full, to do a patch repair, & fine/ sets hard. Ive lost my confidence. On tub it says for general mortar & also -render- jobs. I have an outside 3/4 sq metre area of badly frost damaged brick faces, & repointing I just discoved last thing in the day.. dammit: all nice & prepped tho. But I must do tmrw- last good dry day. So is this stuff sufficient? (if I can figure my mix out ok) or is there, preferably as Ive lost confidence with this stuff now, is there a small bag of ready-mix render available? or if not what do I need for my 1 hr job (~1m area). I have tiling floats to use, should be fine. I don't know actually what the difference is between render, mortar. Thanks, zoot

Ah Ive no idea about 'apps'/ dont have a (modern) mobile.. & no idea about skype/ never used it either (not quite understanding the idea.. isnt that a video thing?) no camera device in or on my laptop.

No facilities to do so.. good idea though.

I don't quite understand this jfb. If I have PP then I have been given permission to build the extention, why wouldn't it 'seem like you can do the new plan B'.. if it isn't going any closer to the road?

Ok I hope this might make it clearer: A) is the front of my house, front door/ porch/ windows etc. The roof ridge/ peak line drawn on. B) is the box. C) is 80's extention. I've marked corners"1" and "2". Its corner 1 in fact that will be closest to road (red plan lines a wee bit off actually).

Well this is indeed a Q I have thought of. And my box will fall just inside the extension floor area (bar the back wall.. which is to be on the same line). But I certainly can't answer it, can anyone? The trouble with my phoning the a PP officer/ dept, is I get a lot of info so fast I cannot generate it > Im scribbling down info I don't understand & get wrong/ stressful. I was hoping if I made my Q's as clear, & slow as can be done on replies such as these.. I might be able to comprehend things. Is my simple box to the side of my house, from the map & my photos, not clear for you guys to see the basic idea?

@Temp the box is stepped in 0.75m from the house front wall IE where my porch/ house front is. Also stepped in 0.5m from house back wall too. So this large white house wall.. is the LH side of the house. The house front, faces SE in the map, across the narrow property width. I don't know what 'principal elevation' means, but can you establish what it is from this info?

Christ this is so complicated. When my AH*le n'bors stack up & 3 of them call highways to complain about a hedge on the midpoint of the roads around me making a 'Y' shape (just to get at me.. not bc its wrong) highways come out 3x, causing me stress, for "we've had another complaint re. your hedge" visits (they agree nowt wrong, had to come/ keep it trimmed/ your fine). The reason I mention this is bc this fkn hedge is -my- property, from highways pov.. as are the hedges I trim on the upper road. Clearly my flippin hedges, no-one else's, not highways thats for sure. In fact I asked the same chap who visits 3x, when he was doing manual clearing work weeks later near me, where a road ends/ where one's property starts btw?.. & tap tap he went a few inches off the tarmac, just on the verge.." there" he said. So, if this is the division between road/ highway's property > & the start of my property, then logic dictates that this must also surely denote the boundary-line. I cannot see any other rational, logical determination. There cannot be a 'no man's land' grey area between. It makes no sense. This sole 1m let's call it difference, makes a MASSIVE difference to me/ my property/ & my future too.. because of the pencil-thin width of my property. This is why I make a thread to try & establish where my 'top' corner point can max go.

Hi Carrerahill, I've tried to get a location map.. but useless cos its so small scale. PeterW's very kind addition/ map above (where is this from??) is better as its alot larger (I printed & went into my council offices with it today, but the PP dept is in another town 25m away alas).. but even this scale isn't exactly ideal for establishing the precise location of this one corner relative to the road behind I just want to try & cut through the spiel, which I get bamboozled on/ knickers in a twist, to see the answer. Its there. To you guys who understand it, its there quite plain to see I'm quite sure & you probavly think I can see it too/ I'm just thick.. but believe me my head hurts trying to understand it/ get the answer. I wonder if I could just get someone to help explain. Basically, its either A) my cane corner point (or prolly a bit extra of roof overhang here to consider) can be 2m from the road.. because my build is block based. B) it cannot be 2m, it has to be Xm. Tbh I don't want to even approach PP or especially building regs, as I just cannot cope with understanding what they say, ie on the phone/ its just a language I'm not used to & I get confused, stressed, & give up. I must plough on.. & find this answer, on this site. Also as its gonna be a small well damped for sound box, which I'll do one quarter of my work in (the woodwork of ampcabmaking, only a few hrs total a week).. I don't want -any- chance either of these depts scuppering my build due to this. I want them just to be away/ no interference/ no need to know.

In my 1st photo, its the cane highest in the photo I'm talking about.. to the left of the barrow. In my 2nd photo, its sticking out my car top (in 3rd pic its stuck in the sticks, the second cane along LtoR). The barrow's wheel, is approximately the other 'top' corner point. So joining these = my back wall.. ~parrallel to road just over the hedge. The slightly near-to-the-road of the two corners.. is the cane. The whole build rests on establishing the -maximum- I am allowed, to push this point twds the hedge.

Ok now I'm in the middle of the confusion. Boundaries, roads, this 2m figure.. & from where it is measured from. I need to establish this. Ok as you can see, my house is in the crux of two b-roads (single-lane). The lower one can be discounted, I'm far enough away from this, as can be the junction. They're both quiet minimal traffic, with passing places etc. Which leaves the nearest one, the upper one. It is from here, relative to my nearest corner lof build (the btm LHS cane in my photo) I need to establish. My PP accepted plan, was pretty much to the very same corner point. So can I not simplify this confusion.. by saying if it was ok to build to this point within the agreed PP, it must be ok to build (my smaller) my separated-from-house box with simple roof etc, to this corner point too?

Sorry if this seems obvious to all, bar me.. but "Max height is 2.5m within 2m of boundary." so this means that if I dip into the 2m area between me & the road (in my case- I assume the road is my boundary/ the only side of contention, in my plan).. the whole structure cannot be above 2.5m high? I thought that you simply -couldn't- build within 2m of any boundary. So I wonder why this wording? And can anyone tell me exactly where a road boundary precisely is? IE where tarmac meets verge, where tarmac extends (say 10") under verge a bit bit.. IE does it incorporate any, even one inch of the verge?

@PeterW I must have missed you posting this map before.. on another thread? and that is by far the best/ biggest image Ive seen (the one I paid for from wherever it is, would've been a tiny lentil-size in comparison.. with same-size red lines as yours/ hopeless. Where got from? really appreciated btw.

Am I allowed to build onto this obvious house wall (as my extention was going to be).. or does it have to be separate? If separate, does the roof (nearest bit to house) have to be a certain distance from house here anyone know?

Photos of area in Q. So, on my yerrow sausage its onto the -south- end, the lowest side (so twds my butth*le). The canes are approx corners, so, it needs to tuck right up to the 2m-from-road (just behind hedge) at this LH corner.

Morning guys- @PeterW great help! yes that's my yellow sausage (& I'm alot more endowed there too). Right, now down at the 'balls' end, I've got PP for an extention. Why not put it up along my shaft?! I hear you say spitting rice krispies over your keypoard.. well bc I've an 80's extention/ kitchen, then lawn.. then shaft to tip is very tricky ~unstable area (45* slope across).