harry_angel
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@Ferdinand thanks. Yes, had my first exposure to the planning committee a while ago and was frankly astonished at the level of local influence and corruption on show. An app we had objected to, and which the planning officer had upheld (refused permission), and which clearly contravened the NPPF in about 4 areas somehow got over the line because the applicants leveraged the local church and a committee member who's part of said church, as well as some unfortunate personal circumstances which nonetheless had absolutely nothing to do with planning or the realities of the case. Remarkable. I thought this type of backhander stuff went out in the 70s and 80s...
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I saw an interesting note on social media, from a green belt campaigning group which reflected on the huge backlog of apps being handled by my LPA (each officer is handling over 100 cases, reportedly, and they are leaving/dropping like flies). The green belt campaigner (who's worried about a local development) commented: "If the LPA has failed to rule on the application within set time limits applicants can go straight to appeal and, in order not to prejudice developers, this leads to a presumption favour of development". 2 questions/discussion points: How does skipping the LPA's ruling body and going straight to the inspectorate "prejudice developers"? Is the consensus that exercising one's right to non-determination has a higher shot of being approved? (I assume because all the objectors and the parish council and the planning officer and all the other local numpties sticking their oar in are simply ignored as the application is assessed purely against the NPPF) My LPA is literally miles behind on my applications, having missed the deadlines wildly, so I am considering options.* *of course, the bummer with skipping the LPA is that you then enter the inspectorate's queue, which I assume is even worse/longer than the LPA's!
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Everything will be PD, aside from the fact that the actual building is L-shaped with, yes, a dual pitched roof... My only concern is that the L-shape would somehow limit the floor area...potentially on a technicality
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More than 2 metres in from the boundary and no more than 4 metres in height. It's more the L-shape I was interested in...but this doesn't seem fussed about shape but more scale https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings
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Thanks, no a separate outbuilding entirely distinct from and ancillary to the enjoyment of the dwelling house. Just, an L-shaped one wrapping around a possible swimming pool...
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Quick Q - assuming the structure is dimensionally within PD in terms of height of eaves/proximity to border/height of pitch etc etc and ticks all those boxes, could an L-shaped building at the rear of a dwelling be constructed under PD? Is the shape less relevant providing those other limitations have been met? How far away from the dwelling house would this need to be to qualify as a separate structure in its own right?* *so the planners couldn't throw the "cumulative sq m % floor uplift" argument at you...
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@interested party afraid not, it entails a full application so the LPA will notify local residents. Flip side, is that so few people IMHO actually understand PD....so the neighbours may glance at it briefly, see that it doesn't involve drawings of some huge tower block, and assume it's inconsequential and throw the letter in the bin...
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House refused retrospective Planning Permission
harry_angel replied to Temp's topic in Planning Permission
The design and aesthetic is poor but the headline's a bit clickbaity - fundamentally there was a building of some size there previously. I thought this person had just knocked up a house willy-nilly, on the sly, but there's a fair amount to work with here both in terms of sq floor area and mass. It might be with some judicious design edits and removal of windows this could get over the line via repeated planning apps and working collaboratively with the LPA. Worth noting that the fact that the council said No is the very, very start of the process. This could end up being a 7-10 year enforcement job a la hay bales man, at vast expense to the LPA. The problem in these cases (and I speak as a person in a diet diet diet coke version of this right now) is that it's not as simple as saying: "the rules are the rules". Because the rules aren't the rules, are they? What constitutes "unacceptable bulk" to one planning officer is acceptable to another. Taking the same case of "unacceptable bulk" a step further....what is unacceptable to one inspector from the Planning Inspectorate is acceptable to another. The grey areas are large, and significant. There are lines, yes, and those who really take the p*ss deserve what they get if they step over said lines, but many LPAs behave disgracefully IMHO and need to be challenged, and challenged and challenged some more. -
Tks @joe90 a good spread
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cheers @joe90, care to share a pic?
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@Cpd looping back on this.... ...the one chink in the willow (salix)'s armour though is that it's not evergreen, correct? So a brilliant blocker in the summer, less so in the winter, is that right?
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Now this, Mr Jones @Dave Jones is a seriously good idea. No I had not heard of pleaching frames but I certainly have now... Much appreciated.
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@Triassic and @Dave Jones I am not blind to the effectiveness of this strategy and use it a lot in business and other areas of life but, alas, we're way past this point and I'm afraid it's a straight-up battle of wills/resources at this point. Luckily, I have more of both than them. Further, we arrived far, far later than the assorted retirees so any "welcome to the neighbourhood" type affairs could, would, should have happened on their patch(es), at their proactive prompting. Tbh, their angry, staring red faces have greeted us from pretty much the get-go!
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I have "amenity" land too and have been trying to figure out what the hell to do with it....and @Chef40 we have problem neighbours in abundance....numpty neighbours everywhere, it seems.... We took down the fencing dividing the land from the "garden/residential curtilage" on the advice of a planning consultant to start blurring the line a bit... @Temp I presume you can, say, buy some pigs or sheep and erect agricultural buildings for them, and then in turn apply for change of use for said agricultural buildings to something more residential-y.....? But in terms of erecting structures in it that feels like the only way to go. Albeit I did find an old 1878 map which showed a building of some kind on this land, but I was advised as this is long gone, it's not of planning value...
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@Roys not to mention the small and trivial detail that, via my not inconsiderable investment*, I am increasing the value of their properties. Ours is the largest property in the immediate area by some distance, we've massively jacked its value. If we sell, those Zoopla and Rightmove algorithms will ripple out accordingly. But don't worry about it retirees, you're welcome. You get in my way, constantly peer into my plot with your angry faces, and I increase the value of your houses. Seems like a square deal. *the investment is, in reality, considerable.
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Wow, this is morphing somewhat... @dpmiller our cameras solely record our own land (it's a big plot). @Declan52 we have signs up everywhere. So rest easy soldiers. Meanwhile, back at the main vein aka how to creatively block the view of intrusive, peering, peeping, angry-faced, curtain-twitching retirees staring directly into my land where my little kids play..... @Cpd we await the pics of your magnificent Salix
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@markc do you mean: what's the difference between some hostile 3rd parties peering in to your garden endlessly and you recording said garden yourself via cameras? Well, with one you have these quasi-invisible machines sitting their silently, and with the latter you get an angry looking retiree's face squinting and scowling at the window, while the curtains move.
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Speaking freely I would rather take a bunsen burner to my Johnson than give my phone number to some of our neighbours, so think yourself extremely fortunate to be surrounded by superior human beings than I am. Also I have 10 cameras shooting 24/7 in HD and uploading instantly to the cloud so their endless peering lacks value in any way, shape or form.
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@Cpd great as that woman in Cowell-style shorts is (cheers @Ferdinand), are you able to show us some pics of the Salix you planted? At 14ft in a year they could spell doom for the prying gaze of the assembled curtain-twitchers!
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Well, I stand on my driveway and try and work out how the f&*k to block the elevated windows they're using to peer endlessly in to my land.....so if that counts....you're right...
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Interesting.... ....as is this barrier > https://lewisbamboo.com/collections/bamboo-shield Maybe there is a way with the bamboo after all...
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@Declan52 alas they can see right in to the driveway currently, and it's that we need to block. Presently they have a clear view from an elevated position of all comings/goings, and that's the part we need to block. I mean...we could probably get it done with 3 or 4 pre grown Leylandii within 5 years but....5 years is a fair old time.
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@Ferdinand were it not for the water pipe and the electricity cable down below I would spend some serious cash on the bamboo and I reckon with some care that would solve the problem quite swiftly, but I can't risk this becoming a boomerang problem via the roots... Hmmmmmm, it's a tough one....I'm not convinced any of the ideas above will do it tbh. I need real height, real width and roots that aren't going to cause carnage in future...
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Thanks and @Jilly and @Shoestring The problem we have though is that it's 1st storey windows said curtain-twitchers are peering out of. Sorry I should have been clearer about that. I mean.....one the CT's windows is about 6m, the other must be closer to 8m high. So it's a tough assignment to block their height....and also block their span...
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We have a few - to put it politely - weapons-grade level curtain twitchers near us. Now, granted, our dwelling house is a loooong way from them, but that doesn't stop them from peering in to our gardens and wider plot, probably keeping a log of everyone who's coming and going, etc etc We already have evergreen hedges growing but these are going to take a long time to deliver the right result, and they're also (arguably) close enough to the border fence (owned by us) to be restricted by the 2m law. The good news is that with some judicious planting further in to the plot/garden, we could block any wider view in to it. However any serious growth is going to take years, so what alternatives are there to the following? bamboo in planters bamboo in the ground (but there are water pipes and potential electric cables nearby, albeit no buildings/structures) AN other plant which grows crazy quick and ideally is not massively invasive AN other very large/pre-grown tree that can be bought and planted and will still take and not die Before anyone mentions Leylandii we have already planted a lot of them along the border but they lack width (which we need to block the neighbouring windows), and they grow quick but not fast enough. Not being knowledgeable at all on a horticultural level it would be great if anyone has suggestions.
