Pressure Reducing Valves for UVC

[Spinny]

I mentioned on another topic, plumber is planning to replace my Caleffi pressure reducing combination valve with a 28mm valve to improve flow (my pipework is 22mm).

 

I am reading some stuff about pressure reducing valves having to be sized correctly for expected flows, and sometimes 2 valves plumbed in parallel may be required - one for low flow, one for higher flow.

(I guess I expect flows from say 5/6 l/m with one tap on through to say 35-40 l/m - 2 showers, couple of taps, kitchen appliance all going.)

(Seems unfortunate that someone can't design a pressure reducing valve that works well without restricting flow over a wide flow range)

 

PS Do you actually need to have a balanced cold ?

 

What experience and advice can people offer re combination valves for domestic UVC systems and maximising flow ?

[JohnMo]

1 hour ago, Spinny said:

pipework is 22mm

Why that big?

 

1 hour ago, Spinny said:

guess I expect flows from say 5/6 l/m with one tap on through to say 35-40 l/m - 2 showers, couple of taps, kitchen appliance all going

But when is that likely to ever happen. If you hot water is above 40 degs, you will be adding cold water to flow of the showers as well... Think you may be loosing the plot!

[SimonD]

1 hour ago, Spinny said:

I mentioned on another topic, plumber is planning to replace my Caleffi pressure reducing combination valve with a 28mm valve to improve flow (my pipework is 22mm).

 

I am reading some stuff about pressure reducing valves having to be sized correctly for expected flows, and sometimes 2 valves plumbed in parallel may be required - one for low flow, one for higher flow.

(I guess I expect flows from say 5/6 l/m with one tap on through to say 35-40 l/m - 2 showers, couple of taps, kitchen appliance all going.)

(Seems unfortunate that someone can't design a pressure reducing valve that works well without restricting flow over a wide flow range)

 

PS Do you actually need to have a balanced cold ?

 

What experience and advice can people offer re combination valves for domestic UVC systems and maximising flow ?

 

I don't think you'll see any difference whatsoever by upgrading the multi-bloc (inlet group) - which I presume is what you're referring to? -  to 28mm. By far the best solution if you don't have sufficient flow rates it to upgrade/modify your supply pipework - and we know you've got some design issues there. My experience is that the multi-bloc units cope absolutely fine with anything from 6l/m to 30l/m. Where I am, I don't see any supply rates much above 30l/m from the mains. Some of these have regulators that provide the same pressure whether there's flow or not. 

If you're replacing the multi-bloc, you need to make sure the pressure relief valve has the same pressure specification as the manufacturer supplied unit - e.g. 4.5bar or 6bar

 

You should use the balanced cold for any mixed outlets because imbalance in pressure can cause problems in these fitting - e.g. where I am mains pressure can easily be 6bar so if you don't balance this you have 6bar at one side and 3 bar at the other. I always install and use the balanced cold as otherwise I'm installing another prv after the stockcock.