OpenHeatLoss - Free and Open source heat loss, system and pipe sizing tool, primarily for heat pump system design

[SimonD]

10 hours ago, marshian said:

Makes perfect sense - before I insulated between the joists of the ground floor with 75mm PIR you could feel a draft in most rooms when the wind got up - now it can be a bloody good gale outside and there is no drafts at all........ I know I've got the house reasonably well sealed hence the installation of a PIV unit to manage humidity and ACH's (But it's not MVHR  )

 

That is the answer to the ventilation anomaly. The reduced method by CIBSE only accounts for naturally ventilated (with extract fans etc.) or continuous MVHR, not for unbalanced whole house situations such as PIV or MEV. In these cases the full BS EN 12831:2017 method needs to be applied - hence coming soon to the tool. There are a couple of notes in the app, but I don't think this is clear enough at the beginning where the initial Ventilation and Air Permeability settings are input - so I will make sure it's clearer and explained properly for users. There's also a drop down at the bottom of the room editor to select continuous mechanical ventilation and if unbalanced is selected there is a note to say it is outside the current method scope. Again, something natural for me as the designer, I therefore easily overlook it as not that sensible for a user! Thanks. 

[marshian]

1 hour ago, SimonD said:

 

That is the answer to the ventilation anomaly. The reduced method by CIBSE only accounts for naturally ventilated (with extract fans etc.) or continuous MVHR, not for unbalanced whole house situations such as PIV or MEV. In these cases the full BS EN 12831:2017 method needs to be applied - hence coming soon to the tool. There are a couple of notes in the app, but I don't think this is clear enough at the beginning where the initial Ventilation and Air Permeability settings are input - so I will make sure it's clearer and explained properly for users. There's also a drop down at the bottom of the room editor to select continuous mechanical ventilation and if unbalanced is selected there is a note to say it is outside the current method scope. Again, something natural for me as the designer, I therefore easily overlook it as not that sensible for a user! Thanks. 

 

Thanks

 

Probably a good time to provide a review

 

In summary - I found the "Open Heat Loss" tool easy to use (The dt element between rooms/external areas probably needs a bit more notation to explain what it's trying to achieve from a "non heating engineer" perspective - clearly you had an excellent understanding of it and could fix my schoolboy errors)

 

I completed the whole house heat loss over two evenings - maybe 2 hrs each day

 

I did however have

 

1. All the dimensions of floors, walls, windows and doors in a handy table

2. All the U values for the fabric elements of the house noted down

 

Both the above from a previous heat loss exercise which made data entry quite quick and easy

 

It works on phone (if a little scrolly) Android tablet and PC 

 

The various report pdfs are great as a summary snapshot

 

I need to go back to my pipe work section and revisit that as I took a punt on lengths I effectively have two circuits linked together just after the pump

 

If I was to suggest anything it would be - from a room to dT perspective it would be good to link ground floor to upstairs (In my mind I have a "room above" or "room below" selection process) how feasible that would be I don't know

[SimonD]

10 hours ago, marshian said:

 

Thanks

 

Probably a good time to provide a review

 

In summary - I found the "Open Heat Loss" tool easy to use (The dt element between rooms/external areas probably needs a bit more notation to explain what it's trying to achieve from a "non heating engineer" perspective - clearly you had an excellent understanding of it and could fix my schoolboy errors)

 

I completed the whole house heat loss over two evenings - maybe 2 hrs each day

 

I did however have

 

1. All the dimensions of floors, walls, windows and doors in a handy table

2. All the U values for the fabric elements of the house noted down

 

Both the above from a previous heat loss exercise which made data entry quite quick and easy

 

It works on phone (if a little scrolly) Android tablet and PC 

 

The various report pdfs are great as a summary snapshot

 

I need to go back to my pipe work section and revisit that as I took a punt on lengths I effectively have two circuits linked together just after the pump

 

If I was to suggest anything it would be - from a room to dT perspective it would be good to link ground floor to upstairs (In my mind I have a "room above" or "room below" selection process) how feasible that would be I don't know

 

That's amazing, thank you very much. I totally understand where there needs to be better notation and explanation of the tool. The instructions are one of the next big steps. So too is a methods for importing measurements. I decided against Lidar as the kit is very expensive (if you don't already have the top of the range phones or tablets) and it's still a bit fiddly to work. So I'm working on a way to use bluetooth lazer measures that import into an app and can then export the data, but this may be some time. U-value data is being structured and imported as we speak, so maybe there by next week. And then next step will be the radiator library too.

Noted on the links to room below or above as you have to hold that in mind quite carefully while inputting the data. I tried one other app that did this is a semi drawing/semi text way and it fuddled my mind - I found it even more difficult than without the facility, so need to give it some careful thought on implementation. 

 

But thanks again for your input.

[marshian]

20 hours ago, SimonD said:

Noted on the links to room below or above as you have to hold that in mind quite carefully while inputting the data. I tried one other app that did this is a semi drawing/semi text way and it fuddled my mind - I found it even more difficult than without the facility, so need to give it some careful thought on implementation. 

 

Coming back to this - I don't think it needs a floor plan type arrangement - I was think more a 

 

"Is room above heated Yes/No" 

Target temp = "X"

 

Then the dt function for internal differences takes this into account?