Proper surround sound

[-rick-]

Yeh I wouldn't mix and match, either all eARC or all through Denon (unless I was bug hunting and wanting to test all cases 🙃)

 

Curious why you want the Denon overlays? I never found them much use and the TV should show overlays for key things like volume. (Been ages since I had an AVR though as mine blew up and I never replaced it as I barely watch TV now).

[Pocster]

33 minutes ago, -rick- said:

Yeh I wouldn't mix and match, either all eARC or all through Denon (unless I was bug hunting and wanting to test all cases 🙃)

 

Curious why you want the Denon overlays? I never found them much use and the TV should show overlays for key things like volume. (Been ages since I had an AVR though as mine blew up and I never replaced it as I barely watch TV now).

So I can fiddle with a wide variety of audio options ! 

[Pocster]

HDMI bypass on denon as suggested by richer sounds ; (expletive deleted)ing ChatGPT didn’t think of that ! . Testing ….

[Pocster]

Well ! I think I’ve watched a certain scene in rebel moon now over a 100 times !

[Pocster]

Just dropped signal ffs !

 

vertex2 here I come !

[Kelvin]

6 hours ago, Pocster said:

Hdcp effectively copy protection . What am I checking where ? 

You can generally set HDCP per HDMI source. The options are typically 1.4 and 2.3. I can fix that to one of those both on the AVC and the TV or select auto where the amp will match the TV. HDCP used to be a pia on the PS5. 

[Kelvin]

3 hours ago, -rick- said:

Yeh I wouldn't mix and match, either all eARC or all through Denon (unless I was bug hunting and wanting to test all cases 🙃)

 

Curious why you want the Denon overlays? I never found them much use and the TV should show overlays for key things like volume. (Been ages since I had an AVR though as mine blew up and I never replaced it as I barely watch TV now).

The Denon overlays are quite comprehensive. You can see some of the information on the built in screen but it’s easier to change settings via the TV overlays. You also need it when setting up the speakers/video as it has a setup wizard. 

[Pocster]

4 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

You can generally set HDCP per HDMI source. The options are typically 1.4 and 2.3. I can fix that to one of those both on the AVC and the TV or select auto where the amp will match the TV. HDCP used to be a pia on the PS5. 

Yeah I found the options . They were already on 2.3 

[Pocster]

So I’m going to try all new hdmi certified cables first .

 

if that fails - stick the vertex2 in

 

All bought from Amazon so all returnable 

[Pocster]

What a faff ! . There I was sound system ; hdmi plugged in and … Go ! - like (expletive deleted) !

[Pocster]

Much chatting to ChatGPT ( more than I do to SWMBO ) . Various devices can be funny about their hdmi handshake . The ‘standard’ isn’t enforced and brands do what they want . Usual non conformity in IT I guess .

Appletv is notorious for being super strict on things . So if a signal is fractionally delayed or a handshake missed it will temporarily drop the signal hence ‘ no connection’ error .

I tried switch 2 direct into denon for only 45 minutes - with zero issue .

So will test that further . Vertex2 arrives today and one of its many functions is it will send a handshake to a device at speed regardless of its intended destination. So it fools the Appletv that it’s got a perfect signal response always .

[Pocster]

Vertex2 is in . All running , no idea how effective it is . If no blackouts in an evening of watching then it’s success .

[Pocster]

This is why an Appletv might work for a particular setup and not for someone else . Unfortunately that applies to ALL the AV stuff I.e tv , amp , console etc etc .

Hence blackout screens common the more AV stuff you have … unless ( supposedly) you have a vertex2 .

[Kelvin]

As I mentioned I’ve never encountered this problem. I don’t have a specific Apple TV device right enough as I just use the app but do have multiple other devices all connected to the Denon. One of the main points of an AVC like the Denon is to take multiple devices and output them via one or other of their two outputs. Adding more boxes cables and another PSU is crap especially at the huge cost of that Vertex device. If it works it works. 

[Pocster]

11 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

As I mentioned I’ve never encountered this problem. I don’t have a specific Apple TV device right enough as I just use the app but do have multiple other devices all connected to the Denon. One of the main points of an AVC like the Denon is to take multiple devices and output them via one or other of their two outputs. Adding more boxes cables and another PSU is crap especially at the huge cost of that Vertex device. If it works it works. 

Agree it’s all rather crap . I could bin the Appletv , buy a fire stick and it all works fine . Look online though plenty of dropped signal issues with all tv’s and streaming boxes . Some people even buy a new tv because they send their firestick / Appletv back as ‘ faulty ‘ - when it’s returned and they still have issues buy another tv ! . Sometimes they still have the issue 😳.

As I’m likely to change / add something at some point AND ( IF at the moment ) this expensive vertex thing works - then it’s worth keeping .

But yes , it’s crazy …

Edited Tuesday at 14:11 by Pocster

[Pocster]

My mate chat said 

 

I’d estimate that 60–80% of HDMI-related black screen dropouts in home theatre setups involving Apple TV, AVRs, and projectors/displays could be resolved or significantly improved with a device like the HDFury Vertex2.

[Kelvin]

Keep us updated on the dear HDMI switcher! I’m using a cheap powered HDMI splitter but only because I don’t have an HDMI cable long enough. I wonder if it’s actually masking a similar problem. 

[Pocster]

1 hour ago, Kelvin said:

Keep us updated on the dear HDMI switcher! I’m using a cheap powered HDMI splitter but only because I don’t have an HDMI cable long enough. I wonder if it’s actually masking a similar problem. 

It’s not a switcher - it can do wondrous things !

Though nearly put it through the window !

Noticed my Netflix account wasn’t 4k so upgraded . Expected that to happen on next monthly payment .

So I put rebel moon on again ! ( sick of this film ! ) so it’s not 4k, not hdr or atmos .

Eating food . Screen blanks out . Words with F emitted !! . Then check … now it’s 4k , atmos ! So magic happened !

[Kelvin]

It is a switcher. It even says as much on their website (among many other things it does) 

[Pocster]

3 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

It is a switcher. It even says as much on their website (among many other things it does) 

lol - well not really . It’s only got 2 hdmi port in ! lol - not much to switch . 😊

Would be a very expensive switcher for 2 inputs ! . I’m only using 1 . As a signal management of hdmi protocols is a better description. I’ve got a hdmi switcher with 3 inputs ; cost about 40 quid .
 

 

But so far so good zero blackout 

Edited Tuesday at 18:13 by Pocster

[Thorfun]

1 hour ago, Pocster said:

It’s not a switcher - it can do wondrous things !

Though nearly put it through the window !

Noticed my Netflix account wasn’t 4k so upgraded . Expected that to happen on next monthly payment .

So I put rebel moon on again ! ( sick of this film ! ) so it’s not 4k, not hdr or atmos .

Eating food . Screen blanks out . Words with F emitted !! . Then check … now it’s 4k , atmos ! So magic happened !

[Kelvin]

53 minutes ago, Pocster said:

lol - well not really . It’s only got 2 hdmi port in ! lol - not much to switch . 😊

Would be a very expensive switcher for 2 inputs ! . I’m only using 1 . As a signal management of hdmi protocols is a better description. I’ve got a hdmi switcher with 3 inputs ; cost about 40 quid .
 

 

But so far so good zero blackout 

The spec list says the Vertex2 has 4 inputs and 2 outputs? No use to me if it only has 2 inputs. 

[Pocster]

9 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

The spec list says the Vertex2 has 4 inputs and 2 outputs? No use to me if it only has 2 inputs. 

You are correct ! I was thinking about another magic box I’ve got . I’ve had a few hiccups but I’m certain these are more related to the stream . For example no audio for a second . No dropout from denon nor apple . I’ve gone 1.5hrs with no blackout so that’s considerably better than before …. 

[Pocster]

Argh ! It dropped signal for 2 seconds !

New certified hdmi leads arrive tomorrow so will need to retest ! Bum !!

[Kelvin]

Scunner. I don’t stream much as moved back to physical media.