Mattg4321

I'm not sure anyone's going to change their minds really as leaving aside the extreme positions on both sides, there's broadly two camps, as there often is with other big issues of the time like covid. One side sees climate change as an almost existential threat, with death and destruction on a scale not seen before - even in 1913-45. If living standards take a fairly substantial hit then thats just the price that will have to be paid. The collateral damage from the damage to the economy will be painful to say the least, but better than the alternative. The other side sees it as a smaller problem in relation to the damage that the solutions put forward will cause. They would rather take all the measures that can be taken without hurting living standards or the economy. The collateral damage would be unacceptable in relation to the risk of the climate warming as the IPCC etc predicts, which they think can be dealt with by learning to live with, rather than attempting to prevent. Trying to attribute the extremists views to the other side isn't really helpful, but probably human nature and inevitable. Each side think they are correct and neither side can possibly prove it.

It was a new system. Although I applied to octopus a few days after it was installed. As above, just fill the form in and pay the £250

Did you complete this form? https://octopus.typeform.com/to/Cb3xmZNN That’s how I did it. Pay the fee and wait to find out. Did you pay the fee?

Did they give a reason for rejecting you? I did it 4 or 5 months ago and was accepted within a couple of weeks.

Octopus. You have to pay them £250 and provide the electrical certificate and building control (part p) notification.

Well done. As above, get a magnetic filter on there assuming there isn’t already!

The facts are there staring you in the face and you still deny it. Who said anything about it not having to be paid back instantly. It’s going to be a drain on the resources of this country for decades to come. Much like this current obsession with net zero, only on an even greater scale. Reality deniers are worse even than climate deniers. At least some on here that argue for it accept that we won’t be able to always heat our home or go on holiday anymore.

You said ‘about what covid cost us’. If you seriously think covid only cost £40B then I can see why you swallow some of the other nonsense pushed out by various politicians. Here it is from the horses mouth. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9309/#:~:text=Current estimates of the total,the pandemic for that year. ’Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion.’

Covid definitely didn’t only cost £40B. Missing at least a zero on that. Makes me question your other figures without even checking. All those problems, and yet France did it half a century ago, and still have cheaper electricity than us with all our wind power. Not forgetting the fact theirs works 24/7/365

Start with the simplest/cheapest fixes and go from there. Raise vent pipework Check H pipework Consider blockages elsewhere - heat exchanger potentially If raising the vent pipework cures the issue, happy days. I still suspect there is a partial blockage somewhere, but it might be years before it causes a further problem, if ever.

Letting foreign owned corporations take the pee out of us can’t really be counted can it. The technology for nuclear isn’t anything ground breaking. The French have powered most of their country on it for decades. We could easily reliably power our whole grid from it if the will was there. Your preferred plan involves technology that cannot power the grid reliably and puts us back to the dark ages to boot. You’re implying that nuclear isn’t a viable option. Extraordinary!

I’m not sure how forcibly putting people into a state of poverty, or even just worsening their living standards is caring. But anyway off the top of my head. 1. Mandate PV on all new build / large extension roofs 2. Invest heavily in nuclear 3. Improve insulation and ventilation requirements for new build and extension. 4. Take into account all emissions from mining/manufacture/shipping/disposal etc when deciding on carbon emission figures of a product. If a product is made elsewhere those emissions must be taken into account. 5. Invest in wind to the point where it can be properly utilised. No point running wind and nuclear concurrently for when the wind doesn’t blow. 6. Scrap the ban on petrol/diesel vehicles. It won’t work. Too soon. 7. Those who make the rules to lead by example and any breach to be punished more harshly than the general public. 8. More emphasis on clean and healthy air/water/food supply than C02 9. Plan for temperature/sea level rise and invest in what’s needed to cope with it. If the Maldives can keep expanding their land area when they were meant to be underwater years ago then it must be possible. 10. End political interference by big corporations/‘philanthropists’. No donations over £200 allowed. 11. Stop wasting taxpayers money on vanity projects and other nonsense that doesn’t benefit the taxpayer Drifting slightly off topic but I could go on. Basically do the best we can with the technology we have and invest in new technology as much as possible. It won’t happen though - too much money to be made.

It won’t be accepted. Get the pitchforks ready! Let’s impoverish our population - with all the death and destruction and social breakdown that would go with it, all to stop the emission of a gas that has no effect on human health, but ‘may’ cause global temperatures to rise slightly (which by the way we could adapt to life with). I can’t believe how so many people are happy to go along with this nonsense.

Gas prices have come down as the Ukraine war has progressed. Yet electricity prices have not followed to the same extent. If it was gas causing the price to stay higher this wouldn’t be the case.

So gas is barely more expensive than 8 years ago, yet electricity is fairly significantly higher, and was so before Ukraine war. Wonder why on earth that could be.