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Have you looked at the T&C's provided to you by the architect ? Might have thought they would define payment terms and conditions. Upfront payment or deposit ? Why 50% ? Probably equates to 3 or 4 man days of work

Thing really is what is workable for the dining table. i think the table has to be 900 wide, going narrower becomes cramped for xmas etc. Anyone with a dining table adjacent to a wall care to comment on minimum space between the two ?

The fitter tells me it is not normally screwed to the floor at all, so potentially adjustable until the worktops go on, but not useable without worktops. Also difficult to visualise the aesthetic effect of adding the worktops on the surrounding spaces. Outstanding fitter by the way, well practiced in tool feng shui.

Yes have seen people put the island on wheels to make it adjustable.

Well I guess us sassenachs need some way to keep broad shouldered caber tossing barbarians invading from the north from getting into our houses 🤣

That is a fab kitchen, but the room must be pretty huge there (I am guessing 5m at the narrow point and over 8m long?), and a dedicated kitchen diner ? Is that an extractor on the beam ??

Do you think ? Spouse generally does the cooking and have never really cooked both together. While that is happening others might want to access the fridge which is free to access beyond the alleyway, so cannot really see why you would choose to go up the alleyway side to get there. What else might the non-cook want ? Wine from the cooler on the far end of the island - no problem, a glass or plate some of which will be in drawers on the open side of the island - no problem, food from the pull out larder which is beyond the the alleyway next to the fridge - no problem, drinking or boiling water from a revolving tap just 400mm from the open side of the island, - no problem, retreive something from the ovens which are on the far end of the alley - no problem. Unload the drawer dishwasher which is at the far end of the alley - might clash a bit with cook going to the fridge/larder - but only intermittent. Throw something into the recycling bins under the sink - not ideal while someone cooking. Hopefully dinner guests are not going to go into the alleyway to hound the cook, just chat from the far side of the island. Doesn't seem too bad ?

Ok thanks. Wow. Are all hallways in Scotland 1400mm wide ?

Thanks for your comments Gus. 'fraught with problems' - perhaps you are misinterpreting the pics. The fridge freezer is not going at the end of the galley, it fits against the side wall at the end. The dishwasher next to it is going in the island. It is an extension and refurb, not a new build, running under pre June 2022 building regs. There is no requirement to comply with disability requirements like raised sockets and lowered light switches etc because it is not a new build. I can appreciate you or family may be wheelchair users so every respect for the challenges that brings, and many of us can go there though circumstance or old age. I do think designing a wheel chair kitchen is a completely different thing though. The house is 1930's so has 32inch doorways, whereas today's new builds are only ever 30inch doorways. Space at either end of galley is around 1.25m by 2.8m, if that is not enough for 'moving around' I am not sure what is. If you live in a city or a flat in the UK then most (almost all) homes would fail your expectations. The room itself is 7.6m by 5.45m and I don't believe furniture placement is subject to building regs. One of us can stand at the sink or hob, and the other still walk through behind, though we expect this to be a rare event as you can walk into the galley between island and wall run from either end and the fridge is beyond the galley area. Design was done with an experienced kitchen designer of course. Our original plan was for 900-910, but as I have learnt, all trades from builders, ground workers, through brickies, and plasterers will only ever produce rooms smaller than plan. A metre walkway with 30mil handles sticking out each side is already down to 940. I am interested in what others have done, and on how much space a dining table and chairs needs, and a gallye needs, photos much appreciated.

1. We have gone for a double drawer dishwasher, so doesn't need so much room to open. 2. we have gone for a handleless kitchen so no knobs reducing the space 3. Everything on both sides is a pull out drawer cupboard of various types 4. Oven is slide and hide 5. Wall cupboards have rising fold upwards doors, not swing out 6. Thinking one person galley 7. 1250 free space at both ends 8, fridge not behind island The other side of the island needs space for a walkway and a dining table and chairs. Going to 870 would give us 2940 on the other side - chair space on wall side 650, table width 900, pushed in chair space 300 = 1850 - leaves 1090 walkway. With someone sat at table needing say 500mm walkway goes down to 890mm See pics. PS that is oversize cardboard, not worktop. Worktop is 650 hob side and 990 island side. How much room do you really need for a dining table ?

Any views on the reasonable minimum alley width in a kitchen between wall worktop and island worktop ? Thinking of going down to 870mm.

PS I was joking about the dog. 🤪 (I do fondly remember him occasionally excreting on the concrete floor. Some say they get triggered when their paws hit concrete, I preferred to think of it as his quality control assessment.)

The water level is your friend and never lies, never lied in over 4500 years.

The ironic thing is I tried to withhold a small percentage of the invoice until after delivery. I was insistently told I had to comply with their T&Cs and pay in full prior to delivery as all customers are required to do. I duly conceded. The problem is, the parts order on the factory was correct, the factory will state they supplied all the parts, the logistics/storage company will say they stored all the parts supplied to them, the delivery company will say they delivered all the parts in storage. So who is to accept responsibility and pay ? As it is, my kitchen company are ordering the replacement parts at no cost to me - but presumably some cost to them. The problem is that once moneys are paid there is rarely a way to get them back if no one accepts responsibility. The problem with the building and refurbishment game is that it is always and often only the poor sod of a customer that pays the consequences of cock-ups - because it is your building that always suffers the defects, and the delays.

Would flanagaj be pissed off though ? Or just curious enough to say 'why do you ask ?' The world is full of people that are certain they are right, but often wrong, yet take personal offence if anyone questions them. The people to have are those that always know there is stuff they don't know, happy to discuss any problem, because the issue is just the issue, so there is never any need to take personal offence. https://youtu.be/KkLN6bUGfZY?si=95SftKIzz_03eqM7