Permitted development after PP

[MJames]

Hi all,

 

I am in the middle of changing a double garage to a Quadruple with Room in roof all the way across. We were refused 4 Dormers due to it being too much like a house so we settled on 2 double dormers and 2 veluxes. 

 

Question.
Can I use the permitted development rules once signed off to then change it to 4 dormers?

 

Thanks

 

Martin

 

[Ferdinand]

I think you can use permitted development rules, to do what they allow, assuming no restrictions have been placed on you by conditions to your PP.

 

I would suggest getting your signoff and letting the dust settle, and then asking for an opinion from your planning authority. Dormers are not the most obvious things to decide, due to overlooking etc. You may eg end up with frosted glass.

[Jml]

8 hours ago, MJames said:

Hi all,

 

I am in the middle of changing a double garage to a Quadruple with Room in roof all the way across. We were refused 4 Dormers due to it being too much like a house so we settled on 2 double dormers and 2 veluxes. 

 

Question.
Can I use the permitted development rules once signed off to then change it to 4 dormers?

 

Thanks

 

Martin

 

 

Rules are here

 

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/36/loft_conversion

 

from these can probably have on rear elevation but not facing road, subject to how much you have extended roof by volume already.

[MJames]

Thanks All,

 

@ JMI - Do you think that the Roof area rules apply to Garages as it specifically states Houses. 

[Jml]

54 minutes ago, MJames said:

Thanks All,

 

@ JMI - Do you think that the Roof area rules apply to Garages as it specifically states Houses. 

 

Different rules for garages, so above may not apply, see here

 

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings

 

would recommend you ask you architect or designer, they will probably have experience dealing with permitted development, they should also know which rules apply to your development

 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Jml

[Ferdinand]

1 hour ago, MJames said:

Thanks All,

 

@ JMI - Do you think that the Roof area rules apply to Garages as it specifically states Houses. 

 

It won’t be a garage any more.

 

(Incorrect .. left in for the record).

 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Ferdinand
Correction

[MJames]

Thanks JML.

These are the submitted and approved plans (Amended) https://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/info/200142/planning_services/planning_application_search/details?id=161006&search=hr29nn

 

The elevation: https://myaccount.herefordshire.gov.uk/documents?id=00d490dc-1b4b-11e6-94dc-0050569f00ad

 

@Ferdinand - It will not be classes as a dwelling.

Edited May 29, 2018 by MJames

[Ferdinand]

13 minutes ago, MJames said:

Thanks JML.

These are the submitted and approved plans (Amended) https://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/info/200142/planning_services/planning_application_search/details?id=161006&search=hr29nn

 

The elevation: https://myaccount.herefordshire.gov.uk/documents?id=00d490dc-1b4b-11e6-94dc-0050569f00ad

 

@Ferdinand - It will not be classes as a dwelling.

 

Sorry ..  misread.

 

Have corrected. Must still be traumatised by toenails ;-).

[Temp]

I think this is a bit of a grey area and a bit of a balls up on the part of the planners not removing permitted development rights.

 

I know your situation is different but had it been a new house...

 

http://www.permitteddevelopment.org/New-houses-and-PD.php

 

Selected quotes..

 

"The property does not enjoy any PD rights until the approved scheme has been implemented.  Therefore you cannot really submit a Planning application or a Certificate of Lawful Development until such time a physical property exists on the site and you have legally implemented the previous Planning Approval."

 

"Many Councils have formulated their own interpretation of when this point is (i.e. when the dwelling actually exists and is capable of receiving further applications for PD or Planning).  I have heard cases from one extreme to another.  One Local Planning Authority insisted to a client that it should be finished and occupied for 2 years whilst another felt that the installation of the foundations was enough to have implemented the approval & physical dwelling. "

 

"Our interpretation of the formal 'birth point' of a new dwelling for adding Permitted Development extensions (and a certificate of lawful development application) is when the 'majority' of the framework of the building has been installed (i.e. - all of its volume). "

 

"I would also go further & suggest that you make sure that it is water tight and most importantly you have discharged ALL of the Planning Conditions required prior to development taking place on the site.  If you do not do this you leave yourself wide open to the Council suggesting that the scheme has not yet been fully implemented due to the non-compliance of the Conditions and,  as such, you have illegal building works until such times the Conditions are complied with - trust me - it has happened before!"

 

 

 

 

 

[MJames]

Thanks Temp.

 

I have taken the view I will get it 100% complete and signed off, then add the New Dormers. You are right, they shoudl have removed the PD on this but didn't. I spoke with the case officer and said what I intended to do and he agreed that I could and he checked to see if the PD was a restriction and also said it shoudl have been removed.

 

So all in all it looks like I shoudl be OK?