Third bedroom off a second bedroom

[NFA Yomz]

I purchased a terraced 3 bedroom Victorian House, 2 years ago with the third bedroom only accessible via the second bedroom and a downstairs bathroom. Please see the floorplan attached.

I am looking to move my bathroom upstairs potentially and I have been thinking perhaps the best way to this is to flip the direction of my stairs to start in the rear living room under the stairs, going right to left rather than left to right as it currently is. I will then seek to create a corridor to the third room and have new doors fitted for separate access to each room.

I am wondering if losing one bedroom would effectively devalue the price of the property?

I am also wondering whether this is the best way to move my bathroom upstairs. I am open to suggestions!

 

Please see below dimensions:

 

Lounge13' 6" x 9' 8" (4.11m x 2.95m) Carpet, skirting, radiator, dado rail, under stairs storage cupboard, double glazed window to rear.

Diningroom13' 6" x 9' 8" (4.11m x 2.95m) Laminate flooring, skirting, radiator, dado rail, double glazed window to front.

Kitchen9' 8" x 9' 5" (2.95m x 2.87m) Vinyl flooring, skirting, a range of wall and floor units with work surfaces over, plumbed for washing machine, partly tiled walls, double glazed window to side.

Showerroom Vinyl flooring, corner shower, low level W/C, wash hand basin on pedestal, towel rail, tiled walls, double glazed window to side.

Bedroomone13' 5" x 10' 1" (4.09m x 3.07m) Carpet, skirting, radiator, storage cupboard, 2x double glazed window to front.

Bedroomtwo13' 5" x 9' 8" (4.09m x 2.95m) Carpet, skirting, double glazed window to rear, radiator, storage cupboard, access to 3rd bedroom.

Bedroomthree10' 0" x 8' 9" (3.05m x 2.67m) Access via bedroom two, carpet, skirting, radiator, double glazed window to rear.

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 07:47, NFA Yomz said:

I purchased a terraced 3 bedroom Victorian House, 2 years ago with the third bedroom only accessible via the second bedroom and a downstairs bathroom. Please see the floorplan attached.

I am looking to move my bathroom upstairs potentially and I have been thinking perhaps the best way to this is to flip the direction of my stairs to start in the rear living room under the stairs, going right to left rather than left to right as it currently is. I will then seek to create a corridor to the third room and have new doors fitted for separate access to each room.

I am wondering if losing one bedroom would effectively devalue the price of the property?

I am also wondering whether this is the best way to move my bathroom upstairs. I am open to suggestions!

 

Please see below dimensions:

 

Lounge13' 6" x 9' 8" (4.11m x 2.95m) Carpet, skirting, radiator, dado rail, under stairs storage cupboard, double glazed window to rear.

Diningroom13' 6" x 9' 8" (4.11m x 2.95m) Laminate flooring, skirting, radiator, dado rail, double glazed window to front.

Kitchen9' 8" x 9' 5" (2.95m x 2.87m) Vinyl flooring, skirting, a range of wall and floor units with work surfaces over, plumbed for washing machine, partly tiled walls, double glazed window to side.

Showerroom Vinyl flooring, corner shower, low level W/C, wash hand basin on pedestal, towel rail, tiled walls, double glazed window to side.

Bedroomone13' 5" x 10' 1" (4.09m x 3.07m) Carpet, skirting, radiator, storage cupboard, 2x double glazed window to front.

Bedroomtwo13' 5" x 9' 8" (4.09m x 2.95m) Carpet, skirting, double glazed window to rear, radiator, storage cupboard, access to 3rd bedroom.

Bedroomthree10' 0" x 8' 9" (3.05m x 2.67m) Access via bedroom two, carpet, skirting, radiator, double glazed window to rear.

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I'd leave the stairs and work with what you have. Options:

1. Middle bedroom becomes hall and bathroom. Hall serves staircase to new 3rd bedroom  located in loftspace.

2. Fill in side return on ground floor and extend out the back a bit. Or partially fill the side return leaving a lightwell. Kitchen and shower room becomes lounge. 

3. Move kitchen to where lounge currently is with WC below stairs.

4. Current dining room could become a study/ocassional bedroom.

 

 

[ToughButterCup]

  On 25/09/2024 at 07:47, NFA Yomz said:

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I am wondering if losing one bedroom would effectively devalue the price of the property?

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A reputable Estate Agent will answer that question. And if you ask three of them, and they all agree.....

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 09:08, TommoUK said:

I'd leave the stairs and work with what you have. Options:

1. Middle bedroom becomes hall and bathroom. Hall serves staircase to new 3rd bedroom  located in loftspace.

2. Fill in side return on ground floor and extend out the back a bit. Or partially fill the side return leaving a lightwell. Kitchen and shower room becomes lounge. 

3. Move kitchen to where lounge currently is with WC below stairs.

4. Current dining room could become a study/ocassional bedroom.

 

 

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Thank you Tommo. I am wondering, if I was to make the middle bedroom a hall and bathroom, how the current third bedroom can be accessed separately?

 

I got a quote of £10k to flip my stairs direction and create a corridor to my third bedroom, therefore having access to each room.

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 10:28, ToughButterCup said:

 

A reputable Estate Agent will answer that question. And if you ask three of them, and they all agree.....

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Good suggestion. Thank you. I will call around

[Mike]

  On 25/09/2024 at 07:47, NFA Yomz said:

I have been thinking perhaps the best way to this is to flip the direction of my stairs to start in the rear living room under the stairs, going right to left rather than left to right as it currently is

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Rotate 90°, not 180:

 

 

 

 

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 10:54, Mike said:

Rotate 90°, not 180:

 

 

 

 

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Good suggestion. My only fear is losing space in both bedrooms, rather than the one bedroom. Not sure if that makes sense?

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 10:40, NFA Yomz said:

Thank you Tommo. I am wondering, if I was to make the middle bedroom a hall and bathroom, how the current third bedroom can be accessed separately?

 

I got a quote of £10k to flip my stairs direction and create a corridor to my third bedroom, therefore having access to each room.

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You'd leave the stairs in the same place. You want your stairs coming out of your overall depth (as you have more of that) not the 4m width as everything becomes a bit skinny. So leave the stairs where it is and either keep it the same direction or flip it. Either way you will need a landing to and a hall to leave options for future loft development. A hall would be needed to access the existing 3rd bedroom.  

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 11:28, TommoUK said:

You'd leave the stairs in the same place. You want your stairs coming out of your overall depth (as you have more of that) not the 4m width as everything becomes a bit skinny. So leave the stairs where it is and either keep it the same direction or flip it. Either way you will need a landing to and a hall to leave options for future loft development. A hall would be needed to access the existing 3rd bedroom.  

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Hi Tommo, thank you. I think I get what you mean. Maybe helps me save costs on flipping the stairs, by just using the current stairs. So I am clear, are you able to illustrate this on the floorplan i provided? I just want to make sense 100% of the suggestions you have made

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 11:45, NFA Yomz said:

Hi Tommo, thank you. I think I get what you mean. Maybe helps me save costs on flipping the stairs, by just using the current stairs. So I am clear, are you able to illustrate this on the floorplan i provided? I just want to make sense 100% of the suggestions you have made

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 Have tried. Forgive the scribbles as Im on a train. I would position door to rooms to provide light to the hall/landing. Your next flight of stairs to a future upper floor would mirror existing stairs.

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 13:00, TommoUK said:

 Have tried. Forgive the scribbles as Im on a train. I would position door to rooms to provide light to the hall/landing. Your next flight of stairs to a future upper floor would mirror existing stairs.

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Thanks a million Tommo! That looks great. Saves moving the stairs. It would be a builder I imagine I would need to find to create a cornered off room within my middle room for the bathroom? Probably also make sense to remove the chimney breast in the middle room to allow more space for bathroom 

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 13:21, NFA Yomz said:

Thanks a million Tommo! That looks great. Saves moving the stairs. It would be a builder I imagine I would need to find to create a cornered off room within my middle room for the bathroom? Probably also make sense to remove the chimney breast in the middle room to allow more space for bathroom 

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..try and have a masterplan even if you don't build it all at the same time. Yes take out the chimney to make more room in your bathroom and future loft room but you will need party wall agreement.

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 13:38, TommoUK said:

..try and have a masterplan even if you don't build it all at the same time. Yes take out the chimney to make more room in your bathroom and future loft room but you will need party wall agreement.

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 Makes complete sense, thank you. I imagine you have had such works done before? or are you an architect by trade?

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 14:39, NFA Yomz said:

 Makes complete sense, thank you. I imagine you have had such works done before? or are you an architect by trade?

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Yes, many times. You can of course put the stairs the other way but you end up no better off for more cost. And if you go up in to the loft you want to try and 'land' in the highest part. 

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 16:39, TommoUK said:

Yes, many times. You can of course put the stairs the other way but you end up no better off for more cost. And if you go up in to the loft you want to try and 'land' in the highest part. 

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Thank you. I am thinking logical place to start is to get stud walls up to create a hall and a room created within the middle room for the bathroom

[DevilDamo]

How about a first floor rear extension (shown in red). Turn the rear part of the first floor into a Bedroom with a rear window. Provide a Bathroom shown in green with a side window. Slightly reduce the middle Bedroom following the introduction of a corridor. Then you’d need to turn the stair around so the landing is against the party wall side.

[NFA Yomz]

  On 25/09/2024 at 20:15, DevilDamo said:

How about a first floor rear extension (shown in red). Turn the rear part of the first floor into a Bedroom with a rear window. Provide a Bathroom shown in green with a side window. Slightly reduce the middle Bedroom following the introduction of a corridor. Then you’d need to turn the stair around so the landing is against the party wall side.

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This is another great idea. Thank you. I do wonder if an extension would be more expensive than a loft conversion 

[DevilDamo]

@NFA Yomz With a loft conversion, you’d have to factor in the additional BR requirements, e.g. fire doors, sprinkler/mist system, etc… One of the Bedrooms would also need to reduce in depth to accommodate the new landing and stair. Assume you have the headroom for a loft conversion too?

[NFA Yomz]

@DevilDamo That is true. Thank you. I think I will start with getting the direction of my stairs changed with a new landing, then go from there.

[TommoUK]

  On 25/09/2024 at 20:15, DevilDamo said:

How about a first floor rear extension (shown in red). Turn the rear part of the first floor into a Bedroom with a rear window. Provide a Bathroom shown in green with a side window. Slightly reduce the middle Bedroom following the introduction of a corridor. Then you’d need to turn the stair around so the landing is against the party wall side.

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Good option but on a terrace you would probably then need a daylight survey as it breaches 45 degree rule

[Mike]

  On 25/09/2024 at 21:25, NFA Yomz said:

I think I will start with getting the direction of my stairs changed with a new landing

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The downside to flipping the stairs 180° is that, although the dimensions of the dining room (or lounge) remain the same, you loose useful space as you'll have created a virtual corridor through the room, though you may prefer that to a real corridor upstairs. But, of course, you have to make compromises somewhere!