Shanks beta valve

[ash_scotland88]

Any body repaired a shanks beta valve?

 

I know there's the vintage plumber on Facebook but reached out to him and not heard back.

 

I replaced the original seal as we had a constant trickle. This was with a wirquin seal found online as a suggestion. This lasted for a couple of weeks untill the trickle came back and became worse.

 

I tried resetting, cleaning more of the old rubber off etc and just can't get it to seal, it's worse now! ☹️ Anybody have any suggestions?

 

I could try and another new wirquin seal incase the one and off has stretched it out of shape. Obviously cistern off and a new flush mechanism is a way forward but it's very rusted inside.

[ash_scotland88]

Taken the old flush valve off today and at a loss what to do next.

 

It sat over the pipe to the pan and is 2inch, the hole in the cistern is 2inch and I'm really struggling to find a 2inch flush valve that's not from America. It needs to work with a handle, b&q had one but I think it's from top mounted buttons.

 

Any ideas or suggestions?

[PeterW]

They are 2” but you can fit a 60mm replacement with care - tbh it’s usually cheaper and quicker to replace the pan and cistern as it’s probably 50 years old now ! I’m assuming you only did the seal and not clean and nearly polish the seat on the valve ..? They need a lot of work to maintain them.

 

Lunns are good for obscure stuff - they do a replacement and the button fits through the flush hole which is pretty standard with the replacements 

 

https://shop.lunns.net/shanks-beta-260mm-replacement-si50-cw-button--350mm-d-prx3-253119-p.asp

 

 

[ash_scotland88]

Thanks, any idea how the button gets mounted?

 

We'd like to keep the toilet as it's a nice piece of history, along with the original shanks sink.

 

Yeah only did the seal, held fine for a week or so then started trickling then my tinkering I recon I miss-shaped it the rubber causing it a steady stream.

 

And yesterday thought f-this, if it's going to be this much work to maintain may as well replace for standard not realising it wasn't standard 🙈

[PeterW]

1 hour ago, ash_scotland88 said:

Thanks, any idea how the button gets mounted?

 yes the stem of the button pokes through the hole where the handle is now. 

If you have it all to bits, taking some 120 grit sandpaper to the sealing faces and spending an hour cleaning up may work

 

[ash_scotland88]

He who must be obeyed would like me to see if I can renew it.

 

Any suggestions for parts? Seal/washer for inside the cistern? o-ring for the piper/thread?

 

I'll order a new seal that I previously had, unless an other one will be suggested.

[ash_scotland88]

I have found this;
https://www.vivasanitary.co.uk/products/toilet-flush-valves/skylo-button-handle-dual-flush-valve.aspx
https://www.toolstation.com/viva-skylo-lever-or-push-button-dual-flush-valve/p58085

 

We have the 20mm handle hole. Only concern is the internal diameter won't fit over the outlet pipe.

 

Any thoughts?

 

yes I've not done anything for almost 2weeks....

[ash_scotland88]

On 10/11/2022 at 09:35, ash_scotland88 said:

I have found this;
https://www.vivasanitary.co.uk/products/toilet-flush-valves/skylo-button-handle-dual-flush-valve.aspx
https://www.toolstation.com/viva-skylo-lever-or-push-button-dual-flush-valve/p58085

 

We have the 20mm handle hole. Only concern is the internal diameter won't fit over the outlet pipe.

 

Any thoughts?

 

yes I've not done anything for almost 2weeks....

So it fits overs and would work in theory, I just can't get a good seal, trying new seals tomorrow but beyond that I think it's new toilet time.

[Radian]

24 minutes ago, ash_scotland88 said:

So it fits overs and would work in theory, I just can't get a good seal, trying new seals tomorrow but beyond that I think it's new toilet time.

Do you mean you can't make good the seal between the valve and the bottom of the cistern? For small imperfections coating up the surfaces with silicone grease might work or for a real bodge, try plumber's gold?

[ash_scotland88]

1 hour ago, Radian said:

Do you mean you can't make good the seal between the valve and the bottom of the cistern? For small imperfections coating up the surfaces with silicone grease might work or for a real bodge, try plumber's gold?

I think I'm getting a good enough one there. Although after giving up gave the area a good clean!

Any idea what black oil type would be in a cistern?

 

What I can't get a good seal on is the water flush pipe. Sorry no idea what it's called but it's the pipe that comes from the cistern of a low level cistern.

The flush valve sits over the flush pipe with a further larhe metal nut to hold it up.

What I think the issue may be is this pipe has some rusted off chips at the top edge so there may be a small hole not created a good seal.

[Radian]

Any chance of a photo of the problem area?

[ash_scotland88]

https://ibb.co/SJNrSZ0

 

Ive done a resize of it, don't know if it's enough or not enough.

 

As you can see there's a bit missing out the back as well as in the front.

It also started off a lot cleaner too before someone comments 😛 The old seal (pictured) did have plumbers tape wrapped around it so maybe that never fitted properly without that bodge?

[ash_scotland88]

If anyone is curious got it to work with new/correct seals.

I do the toilet paper test (wrap it around a seal) and after an hour it is a bit damp/wrinkled though, so maybe the tiniest bit getting through. The handle sits proud, ie there's no chrome surround but maybe in the future replace that part.

But in the mean time it appears we have a downstair bog again