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21 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said:

You normally leave at least one panel unplugged so the string is not completed until you have done ALL the DC wiring.  Go and unplug one panel off each string before you do any more.

Yes  this  is  exactly what I did with each string when  connecting , thanks .

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Thanks , for the feedback guys .

I made all  the hook ups with  one panel disconnected.

 

the system is 11.2kw from Rosensolar , it comprises :

28x 400watt  pv panels

2x DC combiner boxes with breakers ,  switches

2x Growatt  SPF 5000 TL  HVM WPV P 5 kw inverters

1x battery combiner box

3x life po4  48v /200 ah batteries.

 

I hope  you find this interesting ?

 

I am treading carefully here and really happy to hear your comments , thank you .

 

The first question  is  can a solar rated  10 mm2 cable be used  from  the combiner boxes to the inverters over a 36 metre run ?

 

Graham

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43 minutes ago, gramos said:

Thanks , for the feedback guys .

I made all  the hook ups with  one panel disconnected.

 

the system is 11.2kw from Rosensolar , it comprises :

28x 400watt  pv panels

2x DC combiner boxes with breakers ,  switches

2x Growatt  SPF 5000 TL  HVM WPV P 5 kw inverters

1x battery combiner box

3x life po4  48v /200 ah batteries.

 

I hope  you find this interesting ?

 

I am treading carefully here and really happy to hear your comments , thank you .

 

The first question  is  can a solar rated  10 mm2 cable be used  from  the combiner boxes to the inverters over a 36 metre run ?

 

Graham

 

Interesting setup! I was going to ask how this would be grid tied  as the SPF 5000 doesn't have a G.99 certificate AFAICT, but I see now you're making a fully offgrid system, pretty cool.

9800kWh sounds on the low side for an off-grid battery, and that much generation. Guess it depends on the usage patterns of the building, but nice thing with that system is you can always add more batteries later if needed?

 

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1 minute ago, SteamyTea said:

https://www.solar-wind.co.uk/info/dc-cable-wire-sizing-tool-low-voltage-drop-calculator

 

There you go. A DC cable calculator.

Just plug in the details and find that standard 4mm cable will be fine.

Thanks , thats what the system specced originally !

my main  concern was the length now at 36 M.

Good to have some more confirmation though

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52 minutes ago, gramos said:

Yes I wanted a big system  with 3+ days autonomy,  as there is no grid going in anywhere near us and its for a house and workshop !

Usage per day is well under 3 kw

 

REmember that a 9kWh battery will give absolute best case scenario 3days of running.

You need a MUCH bigger battery than that if you want guaranteed availability. At least, where I am in the UK it can be cloudy for a week or two at a time. And even then, a single day of sunshine in December might barely meet the 3kWh demand for that day, let along recharge 10days worth of depleted battery.

 

3kWh is impressively low! Presumably no heating or hot water in that? We average 15-20kWh per day, for everything - heating, hotwater, cooking, 2 people working at home, a bunch of computers, but no workshop!

 

(I see the UK average is 9kWh electricity, and 33kWh of gas, per day, for a 2.4 person household)

 

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2 hours ago, SteamyTea said:

https://www.solar-wind.co.uk/info/dc-cable-wire-sizing-tool-low-voltage-drop-calculator

 

There you go. A DC cable calculator.

Just plug in the details and find that standard 4mm cable will be fine.

Thanks , thats what the system specced originally !

my main  concern was the length now at 36 M.

Good to have some more confirmation though

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I am in Kefalonia , Greece ,

38°07'24.9"   N 20°34'55.0"E -

 

This is our solar input , my calculations were based on .

A surplus of power  all summer and sufficient  reserve during the winter months .

 

Quite right , Steamy  Tea , kWh per day , based on current use .

 

Average Solar Insolation figures

Measured in kWh/m2/day onto a solar panel set at a 37° angle:
(Optimal winter settings)

 

Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun
3.77
 
4.16
 
5.15
 
5.57
 
5.46
 
5.83
 
Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
6.01
 
6.20
 
6.01
 
5.19
 
3.72
 
3.20
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1 hour ago, joth said:

 

REmember that a 9kWh battery will give absolute best case scenario 3days of running.

You need a MUCH bigger battery than that if you want guaranteed availability. At least, where I am in the UK it can be cloudy for a week or two at a time. And even then, a single day of sunshine in December might barely meet the 3kWh demand for that day, let along recharge 10days worth of depleted battery.

 

3kWh is impressively low! Presumably no heating or hot water in that? We average 15-20kWh per day, for everything - heating, hotwater, cooking, 2 people working at home, a bunch of computers, but no workshop!

 

(I see the UK average is 9kWh electricity, and 33kWh of gas, per day, for a 2.4 person household)

 

water heating by solar,  lpg  gas  oven , woodburning stove for heat , passiv haus  levels of insulation , triple glazing  and of course  when required a genny !

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31 minutes ago, gramos said:

I am in Kefalonia , Greece ,

 

 

 

HA! ok fine ?

Yeah for offgrid the monthly kWh estimate only tells part of the story,  an estimate of how many contiguous days are likely to have no or next to no sun is also key information, but I'm going to wildly guess Mediterranean climate helps a lot here. (That said, we spent 2 weeks in Majorca November just gone, and it did not stop raining once...)

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, joth said:

 

 

HA! ok fine ?

Yeah for off grid the monthly kWh estimate only tells part of the story,  an estimate of how many contiguous days are likely to have no or next to no sun is also key information, but I'm going to wildly guess Mediterranean climate helps a lot here. (That said, we spent 2 weeks in Majorca November just gone, and it did not stop raining once...)

 

Yes the insolation is high   here , I am looking at the batteries  being fully charged  by 1000 and running all appliances during the day from solar .

so a lot of panels  was high on the specification  and a change of  power usage will happen too.

Its a new build and everything is geared to minimise  electric consumption .

Like all new projects  , of course , there will doubtless  be modifications to be implemented !

These islands have about half the rainfall of England but /? the sunlight .

 

 

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4 hours ago, SteamyTea said:

https://www.solar-wind.co.uk/info/dc-cable-wire-sizing-tool-low-voltage-drop-calculator

 

There you go. A DC cable calculator.

Just plug in the details and find that standard 4mm cable will be fine.

Thanks , thats what the system specced originally !

my main  concern was the length now at 36 M.

Good to have some more confirmation though

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