kxi Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Due to use of steel frame for the building structure, we have to sit all windows on a thermal break, strong enough to take the load from them. 250 kg in some cases. Experience / opinions on suitability of: Armatherm 500 https://www.armatherm.co.uk/products/500-structural-thermal-break-material/ Which we're using elsewhere for steel connections I couldn't find creep numbers for this. Compacfoam https://www.partel.co.uk/product/55/5/compacfoam Perinsul foamglas https://www.foamglas.com/en-gb/applications-and-solutions/thermal-bridge/thermal-bridge-solution My biggest concern is durability say over 50 years, and naively I'd assume the perinsul or armatherm is best for that? Some discussion of this at http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshouse Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Mechanical fixing for me I built a peg (150mm long steel dowel into the reveal 50mm poking out to sit the window on ) for wide windows a centre support from structure below. Window reveals fixed in my case to ro the structure I hate the idea of combining insulation with structure, a mistake in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I cut down some 50mm GRP grating from ebay, then added some insulation in the holes. It supports our sliders and doors across the cavity. It was cheap and worked fine. I did some calculations and reckoned it had a thermal conductivity of about 0.065 W/mK with the added insulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kxi Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, tonyshouse said: I hate the idea of combining insulation with structure, a mistake in my book Fair enough. For various reasons we can't support much weight off the sides, and while in principle the support along the bottom need not be continuous (e.g. could have 3 blocks of perinsul and fill in the gaps between with foam blocks) the way the whole thing has been designed requires an insulating & structural block under the whole window frame, which then has things screwed into it and airtightness tape attached. The insulating / structural block is shaded. TBH I never really looked at this detail until now, hence the question. Also now obvious that perinsul won't work here since it can't take a screw, and I wonder perhaps armatherm can't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kxi Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Iceverge said: GRP grating from ebay, then added some insulation in the holes This sounds like it needs a patent pending ASAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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