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Passing inspection.


curlewhouse

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Two weeks ago today our stonemason started and poor guy it rained heavily from the very first day! In fact, so bad on the first day that I fully expected him to give it a miss, but there he was when I got home from work, grafting away on his own.  Being a SIPs build, the roof is already in place, so of course all the rain falling on the surface area of the roof flows straight off - directly onto where he is building the stonework below. So this weekend, I managed to get the fascia board and soffit on, on the East side where he has been most busy.  I plan to get the West side done this week, though it will be slower as I'm on my own and can only fit it in after work, plus the ever decreasing daylight hours limit outside work time of course.

 

We are over the moon with how the stonework is looking!

 

On a less progressive note, we are again having issues with our BCO. The same firm is providing our warranty, so two lots of inspections sort of rolled into one from them. when we got the trenches and foundations inspected, I was relieved to find the inspector was a practical guy, who where circumstances meant a slight change of plan took a pragmatic approach, and gave good advice.

 

Come the next stage I rang him and left messages so them emailed him that we were ready but heard nothing back. After 2 weeks of this I contacted the firm - to be told he'd left! Shame no one had the gumption to think it might be wise to tell existing clients or at least check his company email account!

 

Never mind, we got a new inspector. Nice guy, seemed a little nervous, but I increasingly suspect he is new to the job .   When I'm asked by a BCO if Kingspan SIPs are an approved building material I do begin to wonder about his experience/knowledge.  When I'm asked if the torn up, puddle ridden site mud, about 500mm at best below the DPC and with lumps and bumps plus a pile of topsoil 1.5 metres high in one part of the site is our final ground level, I really begin to wonder.  Then I'm, told I must contact Kingspan and ask them what the shrinkage will be -  I explain that OSB has (as the name suggests) oriented strands, meaning this is less of an issue, and forwarded him Kingspans technical documents.... but he still wanted ME to ask. In the end I emailed him and suggested that as a BCO, he was more likely to get a detailed answer from Kingspan (and even supplied him their phone number and email)  which he did - it's miniscule, and even then he couldn't tell me the relevance to my build of his query!

 

In one part the fabric they put on the SIPS has about a 6" tear. So as it's all stapled on anyway, the guys simply stapled along the tear, holding it closed. Fine? Oh no, on seeing that he insists I contact the erectors and ask if that's the approved method of repair. Now I'm not going to ring anyone up asking what I know to be stupid questions for someone else - you want to ask stupid stuff, you ring them mate.  So I just said look, I'll glue it if you'd prefer.   Next, where there were , <2mm variations along the soleplate, the SIPs folks used plastic packers - my BCO spots this and asks why is it not grouted, and are the packers sufficient and should it be grouted? Wants me to contact them and ask - two things here, 1. good luck trying to grout in places with sub 1mm gaps and  2. If they think it shouldn't be plastic packers then they wouldn't have put them there would they - and they're not about to say to me, oh yes, we deliberately put the wrong thing in! So I'm just not doing it. It's like I'm educating him - but that's not what I paid the firm for.

 

He's also nit picked at the most silly things 

 

I've been polite, and have had a little sympathy for the guy, but the final straw was he'd told me the next bit he wanted to see was when our wall was at ground floor window height - no problem, so  I texted him that he could do this early this week, and as a courtesy updated him on progress made inside (1st fix socket circuit complete and 50% of lighting,  1st fix plumbing water supply in, and all the stud walls now have 1 side plasterboard on).  The reply I got is that I must not put any plasterboard up as he must do a "pre plaster inspection" and also inspect the electrics. Now unless he is that rare fish, a BCO who is also part P qualified, he is not qualified to inspect electrical installations. So I queried back asking about why my certifying qualified electricians issuing of a Part P certificate will not be enough -  no reply.  

 

So I've emailed the senior BCO of the company explaining that I'm not happy - a week later and no reply!  

 

 

  

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When we contacted the local council BC regarding the new electrics planned for our renovation house, we were told they dont have anyone qualified to check electrics!.  We'd have to find an electrician prepared to inspect it for us.  Instead the OH joined a certifying Company.  He had not bothered while he didnt need it but it cheaper to join up for a year then pay a local electrician.

Lets hope you get somewhere with the senior staff at the company.B|

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13 minutes ago, TheMitchells said:

When we contacted the local council BC regarding the new electrics planned for our renovation house, we were told they dont have anyone qualified to check electrics!.  We'd have to find an electrician prepared to inspect it for us.  Instead the OH joined a certifying Company.  He had not bothered while he didnt need it but it cheaper to join up for a year then pay a local electrician.

Lets hope you get somewhere with the senior staff at the company.B|

 

This was exactly our experience, too, building control apologised, said they had no one certified to do test and inspection on work undertaken by someone else and suggested that we use a Part P qualified electrician.  It annoyed me a bit, as I was intending to do our electrical installation myself, but after a day spent ringing and emailing around I couldn't find a single electrician within 50 miles that had the required ticket to inspect, test and sign off work done by others.

 

I suppose I could have done the Part P chit, as I used to teach apprentice electricians electrical engineering science many years ago, but the thought didn't occur to me.  As it happens, I think I gave a newly qualified electrician a bit of a helping hand, but giving him his first whole house wiring job (he used it as a part of his assessment by Elecsa), so I feel I gave a bit back by paying him.  He also let me work as his "labourer" which reduced the cost a fair bit!

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And a lot of electricians will NOT certify others work unless they see it being installed.  We've done most of the electrical work now so once his annual registration runs out, I doubt he will renew it.   Unless we find that elusive plot or we do another renovation that needs the electrics replaced again. 

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Actually I can understand that because once stuff is installed it is invisible, so without either seeing it or having total confidence in the competence of the installer, the issuing electrician would be going out on a limb certifying stuff he/she had not seen. I'm fortunate enough to have 1. a father who is a retired electrician but keeps his copy of the regs updated, 2. I grew up doing electrical work and learning from him and 3. A nephew whose full time job is checking and certifying the electrical work carried out by the electricians employed by his firm, and is kind enough to be overseeing our work and certifying it when he is happy it is correct. He's been happy with everything thus far, no doubt because 1. & 2. means we really should be on the ball (and wouldn't dream of cutting corners anyway, in fact quite the reverse).  So inspection and certification are covered - which is another reason the BCO annoyed me with his completely unqualified opinion. He knows less about the subject than me, my father or my nephew! My nephew tells me they come across this from time to time, and unfortunately, even if a part P certificate was to be issued in a property , an awkward BCO can (and have) simply refuse to issue the completion if he/she thinks they know better! So even well qualified electricians end up having to sometimes do unnecessary extras where there is an ego trip going on with the BCO or the poor customer gets stuck between the two! 

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