UFH comparing quotes (the detail) - anyone have a view on these pipes?

[Great_scot_selfbuild]

I'm comparing UFH quotes and I've had to prompt for the detail of the pipes and materials that would be used by one of the companies - has anyone got experience of these (failing experience, I'll take an opinion):AmbiFlex-M16-UFH-Pipe-Datasheet.pdfAmbiente TraffiPipe T16 Pipe Datasheet.pdf

 

All I'm really comparing this against is the quotes I've had from other suppliers direct, but I'd prefer to get the UFH design and supply from the same company I'd be getting the ASHP from (again, I'm still weighing up lots of options).

[JohnMo]

Looks like premium brand markings on any old pipe. Just get Pert-Al-Pert 16mm pipe.

 

I got everything from Outsourced Energy. They do Ivor stuff which is good and good service. You only need pipe, manifold and 16mm euro cones, and staples.

https://www.outsourcedenergy.co.uk/product-category/pipe/aluminium-core/

 

My £2100 Haier heat pump is working great, 4 degs outside CoP of 5.1.

 

£500 for direct unvented cylinder 

[Nickfromwales]

I use Paul at underfloor heating trade direct. Used them for over a decade without issue. 
 

Give them a call and ask for a price 01925 571999

 

As above, it’s all pretty much the same stuff with different folks writing / branding on it.

 

@Great_scot_selfbuild I’d lose the fixation of getting so many things from one source, most offerings come in quite underwhelming imho, as the more you add the more diluted the focus and attention to each element there seems to be.
 

The UFH can be laid simply, by yourself if you choose, over a long weekend. Or, get the plumber who’s going to do the rest of the plumbing and engage earlier with them and they can support.

 

On a recent ‘turnkey’ install by certain well known heat pump fitting entity there were a lot of faux pas, client totally unaware, smiling and happy, and a few schoolboy errors when they laid the UFH was the trigger for me to ‘observe a little more closely’ when the HP and UVC was going in.

 

Started laying all the small loops first, so when they got to the large kitchen diner loops they ran short to get one leg back to the manifold, which needed lifting and discarding and replacing with another visit. Caused a delay, with screeders booked in at that point.

 

I was supporting with all ‘other plumbing’ and the electrical arrangement, inc ASHP wiring, so provided a 50mm waste pipe where D2 would connect.

 

The chap just poked a piece of 22mm copper into the 50mm pipe and carried on with the rest of the install. I pointed out that it was connected to the foul sewers so needed to have a waterless trap installed to prevent the stink coming back into the room. 
 

He asked if poking rockwool down it would do the same job……?

 

Split this up, and manage each element more effectively is my 2 cents.
 

Panasonic ASHP £3k with controls, cools out of the box and quieter than a mouse sneezing, and a Telford UVC, folk here get good prices from Trevor @ Cylinders2go. 
 

Ivar pump / low temp mixer and manifold, if UFH GF + FF, or just a manifold if GF UFH only.

 

Look at the umbrella scheme for the grant, or just keep the costs low so you don’t need to bother jumping through those hoops, with the usually then attracted uplifted costs. 
 

Pipe is pretty much pipe. Dont overthink it!

[Nestor]

I had the ASHP supplied and fitted from one company under the RHI scheme.

All the UFH materials supplied by Wunda which I installed.