MR10 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I found this article both interesting and fascinating https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/08/how-the-dutch-went-down-the-toilet-looking-for-heat-sewage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Makes a lot of sense, using existing warm water and heat pumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Interesting idea, but not new. Let us say that a house discharges 500 litres of water at a mean temperature of 20°C every day. Cooling that water to 17° with a heat pump will yield: 4.2 [kJ/kg.K] x 500 [kg] x 3 [K] = 6,300 kJ or 1.75 kWh Enough for a shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR10 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 Read somewhere that Mogden Works discharged 20.6 billion litres of raw sewage between 2019 and May this year. It must be possible to work out roughly how much kJ can be harnessed and potentially put back in homes. Would this be considered 'renewable' I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 4.2 x (20.6 x 1,000,000,000) x 3 = 259,560,000,000 kJ (72,100,576.8 kWh or 72 GWh) National Grid is currently reporting 35 GW of electricity is going though the grid. So two hours of electrical generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 If that was generated at the treatment plant you need a hot water distribution system, shame it could not generate electricity (if only to run itself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, joe90 said: shame it could not generate electricity (if only to run itself). Sewage is already used to produce electricity. That would be the main competitor thermal energy, and as you rightly say, redistribution would be the biggest issue. Wires are cheap and easy, I wish the 'distributed urban heat network' advocates would realise this. Would save a lot of time and wasted resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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