Convert tilt/turn window to side hung "door" window - Rehau Euro 70 (low backset multipoint locks?)

[markocosic]

We have "windows" that are inward opening tilt/turn and 90 x 210 cm in size using Rehau Euro 70 profiles.

 

These weren't ordered by me and I didn't realise that the window shop had specced "tilt/turn windows" instead of "side hung fully glazed doors" until they arrived.

 

 

I would like to convert one from the "tilt turn mechanism" (handle down = locked, handle 90 degrees = turn/side hinge, handle up = tilt/bottom hinge) to "normal door' to make it less confusing for visitors using it as an entry door. (handle 90 degrees = closed, handle down = turn/side hinge)

 

 

This is the profile and the current outside handle / lock arrangement. Highlighted in green is where a mechanism can fit. Highlighted in blue is where the current handle bar / euro cylinder are fitted. These offer fairly token security. (they half heartedly stop the slide bar moving up and down) Highlighted in pink is what I think is called a "eurogroove" for all the mechanism gubbins:

 

 

 

 

I cannot find a "lift lever" mechanism like a "normal UPVC door" where there's a little sprung door bolt (pull down down to release) plus cams/hooks/pegs that engage when you lift the handle and a lock to prevent the handle from moving again...that will fit a shallow rebate such as this one.

 

 

Closest I have found that it plausible to fit in that rebate is this but it isn't a multi-lock and I think we really need the cams on these upvc frames.

https://spynupasaulis.lt/en/katalogas/locks/for-plastic-and-aluminum-doors/lock-mcm-1650-21/

 

 

 

 

There's a bit more space between the sash and the frame that could be used (i.e. lock could stick out a bit / not be flush with the frame) I've highlighted that in red in the section view above.

 

You could even nibble a bit out of the outside frame if you had to (highlighted in red below) and rebate the keep elements in the blue bit; though that feels like a lot of bodging at this point. Frame below isn't quite the same profile but the edge / lock detail is the same)

 

 

 

 

 

Questions for experts...
 

1) Is there such a thing as a "lift lever" mechanism like a "normal upvc door" that has a slider rack and would engage the cams if you lifted it upwards, disengage the cams if you pulled it downward, AND spring back to a horizontal neutral position?  It would want to have a euro cylinder lock but doesn't necessarily need a door bolt (I assume this is the thing that takes up too much depth) 

 

2) Is there such a thing as a "euro cylinder cam driver" that has a slider rack and lets you move those cams by turning a key in a euro cylinder one way or the other - without a handle? I could pair this with either the spring catch or a regular handle and sprung bolt like the shallow one listed above

 

3) Is there a magic multipoint lock cam driver thing with a normal handle and a normal lock with a super low backset that might fit a frame where the rebate is 25 mm deep in total?

 

 

https://www.lockshopdirect.co.uk/multipoint-lock-measurement-guide/#:~:text=The Backset is measured from,the euro hole cut out.

 

 

Don't really want to replace the door at this point. Might have to but that still doesn't solve the french window which is also the bloody same lost in translation mis ordered fitted in a hurry and regretted afterwards affair.

 

(Price for these was €276 apiece including Uw=0.6 warm edge soft coated triple glaze in tilt turn. Won't find that again.)

[craig]

Apologies but you're overcomplicating this, order a new door.

 

The work involved in converting this will cost you probably the same to reorder, deliver and install the door. Secondly, it's unlikely the cylinder will fit properly in the door and it's a lot of hassle to solve a problem, which is easier to do by ordering a new door. Trust me, talking from experience.

 

Bite the bullet and order new.

[markocosic]

You're right. Spend the faffing time working and the money on a door.

 

It's difficult being tight though. Even more being tight and wrong. 😄

 

Some shed, sauna, or outbuilding is going to get a nice window I guess!