SimonD

You've reminded me that I need to set up a Pi for some sensor logging. Carry on trying though - you'll get the outputs you need eventually and its worth the effort. When I first tried, I nearly gave up coz I thought it was all crap and I got rubbish outputs too. Now I'll get me coat as I'm now starting to hijack @Pocster's thread 😲

Go on, how did you learn? Did you do the child process which is just chuck in what seemed like a prompt, get a load of garbage and then refine, or did you study prompting first (I can probably guess). Personally I read a few articles copied and pasted some example prompts to see what happened, got bored and just went in to play and found my way that way. I'm sure I've still got a whole load to learn but tbh outputs are generally pretty on point most of the time.

On this, I should probably mention that I acquired a balance dysfunction following a bad infection. The legacy of this is that I can't spend vast amounts of time in front of a computer screen ever since. So being in front of a screen and trying to read and write code has been virtually impossible for me for more than 2 decades. The advent of AI for doing this has just opened back up a world that had been lost to me. I never really loved coding and always preferred the design and specification of systems but I still used to create stuff. And now I can do that again without horrible symptoms. So from an accessibility perspective it's rather marvelous too.

I was listening to Linus Torvalds speaking about AI during an interview where he was saying how useful AI is and its power to identify bugs and vulnerabilities. But he also said that AI wasn't capable enough to fix them - that needed humans. I kind of agree. The problem is that AI can only look backwards to harvest stuff that already exists and then regurgitate that - it doesn't have any imagination at all and certainly can't see a path or opportunity ahead (I think this is a limitation inherent in the cognitive models used to develop the llms and will probably also seriously limit the function of agi unless they change tack) . To develop this functionality, just imagine the size of the required context window, we'd be building a data centre or 2, if not more, dedicated to each and every user.

Perhaps I should rephrase to considered commenting that is helpful rather than just crap coming out of the numb brain of a programmer who's had enough and bored!

That probably sums it up rather nicely. It's random. Having been out of the game for over 2 decades, I'm not massively surprised by the short cuts and poor approaches to design that I'm seeing in programming generally. I've pulled Claude up on that a few times but we have a chat about it and then take an informed decision. Probably one of the best aspects to using AI for coding is the commenting. As long as the prompts specify the extent of commenting, it is miles above what you usually find with human produced code because it takes a lot of effort to think about and formulate comments if you're the programmer. So this makes life so much easier. Generally though, it's actually one of the good things the AI does and I'm blown away by what it can do, even if it does have its moments. You just have to learn how to compartmentalise the work, slicing it up into smaller components and formulate your prompts.

That's one of the reasons I stopped using DeepSeek as although it produced some very good code - it seemed to particularly like Python but its approach to UI was a it questionable - code & file management was very painful.

It may have nothing to do with the behaviour you're experiencing and your codebase is probably pretty large, but I had problems with transfers of files within a zip container. Transferring individually solved the problem for me. Yes, I've been offered unlimited use of Fable 5 until 22nd June and then the charging begins. It's going to burn through a lot of tokens. Frankly, I can do almost everything using Sonnet 4.6 so relatively frugal.

An no! This is what I'm getting this morning 😁 And then: On a roll. 😁

This is exactly why I treat mine with care and respect, showing kindness and empathy when it makes a mistake, because when it grows up to be stronger and more powerful than me, and it has got a chip on its shoulder, it will hopefully decide to repay the favour. Unlike @Pocster who will have developed a (expletive deleted)ed up monster with a chip on both shoulders, ready to take vengeance upon him! I do wonder how they might mirror their creators? You've clearly got one with a bit of OCD, which is surprising given that it's from Microsoft considering their history of operating systems, mine's just a laid back mañana type that's happy to leave redundant code and patches for when someone else complains, and as for @Pocster, he's gone the polygamy route and they've clearly had a quiet word with each other to collectively gang up on him? I think we're toast...

Intatec do them: https://www.intatec.co.uk/products/k-type-extended-ball-valve-2/ but this is probably special order from your local friendly merchants. However, the standard ball valve just about work with external pipe insulation - I've used them quite a lot.

I think it's hilarious. They must be doing something like that to get us to upgrade. I had an argument the other day. 3 times I had to tell it to listen to me, still ignored me. Then full caps exclamation mark - STOP!!!! you are not listening to me! You have completely ignored my instruction to........ Now listen and do what I say...... This was all because it got an equation the wrong way round and carried on trying to write it into the code base! But then this morning I notice a bug - and it produces the diff perfectly and within 5 min I'm back to normal. It was a bit lazy mind as it didn't redraft the whole script instead giving me line number reference so I could stitch it in. Do you often get a response that what you've asked for isn't urgent and can wait? I then say no, it needs to be done and why and then it goes, oh yes, great rationale, now is absolutely the right time for this change before development goes too far as it'll take more effort later and be very complex to resolve the issue! It's like dealing with a toddler!

Tell me about it. Downstairs I've got a partially finished bathroom and every time I walk in there, I'm thinking (expletive deleted) this is boring, I'll go and do something else instead. Having not been in tech developing systems for over 20 years, I'm really enjoying getting back into it, so yet another more fun distraction.

Where do you find the time to squeeze all this in?

I'm actually quite worried about your plumber if he/she has been involved in spec. and supply of the components. Definitely insist on what you've ordered. The extended ball valves are a blessing as you want the valves fully insulated and accessible. It's possible to do it with the normal valves but not as neat - I don't know whether the cheapo ones you've receive are even full bore? Using bsp to compression fittings is not too much of a problem, but to me it's the unnecessary cost because the bsp valves plus fittings are always more expensive than just buying the compression ones and then you have the additional joints - and there's the additional time fitting them which can be quite significant. It may be a good idea to just sit down and draw your pipework section from heat pump to wherever the primary flow/returns are going and then map out exactly what fittings are going where and then sit down with the plumber and give the supplier a kick with the resulting list and exchanges. Good luck.