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Help please. clear alarm?
Beelbeebub replied to Post and beam's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
You'd be surprised. If the leak was in thr 1st floor or loft, I would expect you to see something. But if it's the ground floor, depending on location and construction you might not. A property had a persistent leak. Half a bar a week. No sign of water. Clue cam in autumn when kitchen windows had bad condensation. Check with humidity monitors showed high humidity in kitchen. Eventually found a failed joint leaking to under the kitchen floor. The construction was a oncrete slab, with 2" timber battens, then floorboards, a 5mm ply layer and then lino. When we lifted the floor there was about an inch of water. If you have a suspended floor or even a slab, water could be leaking and you not know. Get hold of a couple of humidity meter (these are good https://amzn.eu/d/bMbXgA2) Stick them in varouhs rooms for a few days and see if you can find one that has higher humidity than the others. That may give you a clue. -
Surge protection, fuses and MCBs in loft from PV array.
Beelbeebub replied to jimseng's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
I'm not sure "all dc" would include low voltage stuff like door bells. I think (and am happy to be corrected) that under 50v DC is low voltage and different regs apply - so single insulated is fine. This would prob apply to the single panel type "camping" systems people stick on vans and the like. But for the high voltage DC you get with large arrays a different set of regs apply and they say DC must be double insulated. Hence using special solar cable rather than regular 4 or 6mm 2 core. I imagine you would need similar if you had another high voltage DC application eg some sort of machine tool or something. -
Help please. clear alarm?
Beelbeebub replied to Post and beam's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
That's a serious volume of water being lost. If you don't know where it's going (eg a leaky prv is dumping it down the tundish) I'd be really concerned about damage to the fabric of the building. Something somewhere is going to be soaked and that is never a good thing. -
Surge protection, fuses and MCBs in loft from PV array.
Beelbeebub replied to jimseng's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
The cables have a DC rating because you can stick DC down any conductor. But the UK regs say that cables that carry DC must meet certain requirements around insulation etc. Specifically the conductors need to be double insulated whilst they can be single insulated for AC. Here is an armoured AC cable. Notice you have: Copper conductors Layer of insulation (the coloured bit) Packing material (beige bit) Armour Outer sheath. Here is an armoured DC cable Copper conductors Layer of insulation (white) Layer of insulation (the red/white bit) Packing material (beige bit) Armour Outer sheath. Notice the two layers of insulation around each conductor You could use the top cable, it would physically work, in the same way you could just bury an extension flex in your garden to power your garage. But it wouldn't meet the regulations. For that you need the specialist cable. -
Surge protection, fuses and MCBs in loft from PV array.
Beelbeebub replied to jimseng's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
Yes, that's fine. It"s what my set up uses. If my panels were on the garage and my inverter in the house, then I woikd need the specialist DC SWA to carry the DC between garage and inverter. My understanding is the issue with carrying DC along standard SWA, it that DC needs double insulated conductors and standard SWA is single insulated. -
https://www.doncastercables.com/cables/20/89/PV-Ultra--/PV-Ultra-----Double-Insulated-Multicore-DC-Cable/ The do 4 core so you can have 2 strings if required. Regarding upgrades it depends a bit on which panels you're putting in. Current "mid range" panels are in the 450w range with some premium panels going over 500w, a few years go the 450w panels were premium and most were 400w or lower In 10 years time the cheapest panels might be 550w and the premium ones 650w So if you reolwce/upgrade your current will go up even if your array stays nominally the same. Also we don't know what planning will do in the future, it may be they change the permitted development allowance and you could add more panels. Be nice if the cables were already sized for that, especially if relaying them would be a faff - if the route would be a doddle to add an extra cable don't worry too much. But if it"s a sod, just do it once
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I think it's that the regs require the conductors to be double insulated within the armour. Ie you take double insulated conductors, then pack them into an armoured sheath, then wrap that in insulation (which is mainly to protect the armour) Most SWA is single insulated inside the armour ie each cable is single insulated, Ie you take single insulated conductors (like you woikd find in a twin and earth) then wrap those in the armour. I think it's because DC shorts between conductors are much worse than AC for the same voltage and current. So the individual conductors need that extra level of protection.
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Chunkier DC cables gives you headroom should you upgrade to more/better panels in the future. The resistance of 6mm cables, about 2/3 that of 4mm2 (and 1/4 of the 1.5mm cable) is lower which will reduce your i2r losses (not as much as lowering your current but there isn't much you can do about that) There are DC specific armoured cables now (the common AC ones are not suitible for DC) which makes doing the runs much neater and easier.
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So £60 each or about £200 per kw? Roughly halved in price and doubled in output. The same money now buys you 2x the output vs 2 years ago, in the same footprint! Wow!
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Sorry, I meant the old panels. As you say we are nearly at £100/kw before vat now. I was wondering what the ratio was when you put the orginal panels in.
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Given Wikipedia is one of the training data sets, any "AI" answer will almost certainly be less trustworthy. "AI" is, at it's heart, very fancy auto complete. You give it an input and it creates a statistically likely response. You ask for a picture of a dog on a unicycle in the style of Rembrant and it spits out it's best guess but it doesn't actually know what a dog, unicycle or Rembrant are. Similarly, if you ask it a technical question it will reply with an answer that sounds right, has some formulas and technical words in etc. It's.a bit like that game "would I lie to you". Except it just picks the answer based on who sounds right rather than knowing what is right. Sometimes they are the same thing. A large proportion of the time they are not.
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Can I ask, how much those panels cost and how old they were? Just trying to get a handle on how much things have moved on in the past few years.
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Yes, that's the point. The minimum output often quoted by manufacturers is often achieved at the coldest temps when it is irrelevant. The relevant figure is minimum at the higher outdoor and that is a lot higher for the reasons you mention. I can't remember which brand it was (it might have been a mitsubishi or maybe a york) that I looked at but the minimum "spring" output was something like 5kw whilst the depths of winter max output was 10kw. So the effective modulation was 2:1.even though it could output 12kw max (in spring) and as little as 3kw in winter. (4:1)
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One of the things about heatpump modulation is that, unlike boiler modulation, it's very dependent on air and flow temperature A HP might have a max of 12kw at 7C outside air and 35C flow. And a minimum output of 3kw at - 5C outside and 65C inside. But that doesn't really mean it has a 4:1 modulation We really need the opposite, the minimum at 7C/35C (or better yet 15C/30C) and the maximum at - 5C/65C Often that figure is closer to 2:1 Which is why sizing for just being able to do the job on the coldest days is prob best as you will. Have many more days where you are bumping into to lower modulation limit.
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This is exactly the point. The exact performance of any unit will vary by location even for nominally identical properties. Each manufacturer will optimise for slightly different conditions. Model Y from brand X might be slightly better paper than Model A from Brand B, but in the exact conditions (even down to how thr occupier uses it) of a given install the latter might perform slightly better I think chasing the last few % of efficency by looking at the scant data given by most manufacturers is a bit of a losing battle.
