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  1. Yes, that's the point. The minimum output often quoted by manufacturers is often achieved at the coldest temps when it is irrelevant. The relevant figure is minimum at the higher outdoor and that is a lot higher for the reasons you mention. I can't remember which brand it was (it might have been a mitsubishi or maybe a york) that I looked at but the minimum "spring" output was something like 5kw whilst the depths of winter max output was 10kw. So the effective modulation was 2:1.even though it could output 12kw max (in spring) and as little as 3kw in winter. (4:1)
  2. One of the things about heatpump modulation is that, unlike boiler modulation, it's very dependent on air and flow temperature A HP might have a max of 12kw at 7C outside air and 35C flow. And a minimum output of 3kw at - 5C outside and 65C inside. But that doesn't really mean it has a 4:1 modulation We really need the opposite, the minimum at 7C/35C (or better yet 15C/30C) and the maximum at - 5C/65C Often that figure is closer to 2:1 Which is why sizing for just being able to do the job on the coldest days is prob best as you will. Have many more days where you are bumping into to lower modulation limit.
  3. This is exactly the point. The exact performance of any unit will vary by location even for nominally identical properties. Each manufacturer will optimise for slightly different conditions. Model Y from brand X might be slightly better paper than Model A from Brand B, but in the exact conditions (even down to how thr occupier uses it) of a given install the latter might perform slightly better I think chasing the last few % of efficency by looking at the scant data given by most manufacturers is a bit of a losing battle.
  4. Shouldn't the sizing include defrost and DHW as well though? If you heat demand on your coldest day is 7kw continuous, because you will spend some time defrosting (say 15% of the time) you need to up you actual output, then you'll be 2 or 3 hours heating hot water. So up again. So your 7kw house might need a 9kw or 10kw at -5C hear pump. But it will only need that for a day or two a year. The rest of the time it'll be running at maybe 75% "full throttle" until you get to late spring or early autumn when your lower modulation limit becomes more important. The choice of HP will constrained by other factors like local availability and expertise, physical size, price, warranty, aesthetics etc.
  5. The rating of a Heatpumps is a bit subjective anyway. Indint think you can generalise. Manufacturers make a series of differently sized machines, but the actual "rating" varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and market to market (due to climate variations) So a 6.5kw machine in the UK might only be 5kw in Sweden and 8kw in southern France. Some manufacturers quote the max power at 7C outside and others at -5C. So the way manufacturer A's range falls might make the smaller units more efficent, whilst manufacturer B's range has the larger units more efficent. As a rule of thumb the bigger the evaporator is, in relation to the load, the more efficent a HP can be and the physics of the rotary, scroll and swing compressors makes efficencies drop off markedly in low load regions.
  6. I think the evaporator coil size to power output makes a difference too. You quite often see the smaller of the two outputs using the same "frame" size is more efficient.
  7. There is a whole shutdown sequence including shutting down the bms etc etc. My point being it's fairly easy as all the isolators (AC and DC) switches and buttons are in one place. If there is a loft isolator, before it can be turned the operator has to go down stairs do the various operations before coming back up. There is, unless the isolator is locked on, a fair chance someone will just turn the knob possibly under full load. Much less likely if the isolation requires opening a box (with a tool) and then using another tool to disconnect the MC4s
  8. The end panels of each string will generally (but not always) come with factory MC4 connectors. The "tail" is not normally very long, depending on your positioning and roof construction you might have to join on to those outside on the roof. If you were desperate to have a "disconnection" point on the loft, might the solution be to have a fairly large enclosure with the DC cables coming in from the roof (having connected with the tails on the roof via MC4), through a gland and then terminate with MC4 connectors. Those then fit to mating connectors on thr DC cables running through the house (either in ducts or as wire armoured) to the inverter. That enclosure could then be closed or even locked and a warning label stuck on it. That would seem to be allowed by the table I posted. That would allow for the through house run to be isolated and use crimped, approved and maintainance free connections all around. Assuming your inverter has the correct DC isolator built in. My inverter has instructions to turn the inverter off (shutdown) before using the isolator ie the isolator and connectors should never be operated under load. If there is no current flowing there won't be an arc.
  9. Yes, you are correct - normal SWA won't do. You do need to be able to isolate the DC supply from the inverter but you *don't* need a separate DC isolator *if* your inverter has a suitible one built in (which most modern ones do) (The Institution of Engineering and Technology - Code of Practice for Grid-connected Solar Photovoltaic Systems) Statistically speaking, DC isolators have been the biggest cause of fires. And as such the latest guidence says to avoid them (as long as you have a built in one). https://www.thefpa.co.uk/advice-and-guidance/free-documents?q=RC62 Recommendations for fire safety with PV panel installations
  10. I was sold on the need to shift as much from fossil fuels to renewables as possible because of the climate arguments but the real clincher was the declining production. I had thought that it was a straight pick between 2 options: A) continue a fossil fuel economy (and co2 emissions) dependant on UK sourced fuels B) transition away from fossil fuels (and lower co2) towards electricity that we get from wind and solar (which are also UK sourced) And you can argue back and forth about the choice between A and B depending on your views on CO2, the costs, the effect on the economy. But actually because of declining production, option A doesn't really exist Option A) is actually "to continue a fossil fuel economy (and co2 emissions) dependant on foreign sourced fuels" - in a Union Jack coat. And B) is your only option if you really care about the UK's energy security.
  11. you say "strawman" alot but i don't believe I have "Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position of the argument" I say your argument is that "Net Zero is bad for the UK and we should improve our energy security by increasing the production of our oil & gas" as evidenced by and... Is my summary of your position incorrect? My counter argument is that we cannot increase our oil and gas production levels because our resources are mature and declining. The other arguments about refinery capacity, ease of extraction and world market prices are secondary to this. As evidence I showed graphs from a government source and, just in case anyone were to say "well they would say that", an industry source. (industry source shown) Bear in mind that today (2025) we only produce about 50% of the O&G products we consume. If we go out a decade to 2035 we can see production will be at most about half today's, ie 25% of demand. The "at most" is important because that includes opening up new fields. You mentioned Rosebank and the optimistic production forecasts are in the region of 70,000 boe per day. As you can see from the graph that isn't even 10% of today's production, or 5% of today's demand. There is no scenario where we double O&G production from today's levels. Are you arguing that increasing our production by 5% in 10 years time will give us energy security? I argue that, to reduce our reliance on foreign (and often hostile) energy sources we need to: a) reduce demand - basically energy efficiency for heating, industry, transport b) reduce our consumption of the energy we cannot produce domestically (oil and gas) in favour of ones we can (electric from renewables but also nuclear) This coincides with the "net zero" policy. Far from stifling UK innovation, it will allow it to flourish in a new sector which is rapidly growing globally (renewables). Our expertise in hostile environment offshore operations will be very useful to the offshore wind industry. The O&G we do produce should be kept for things where it cannot be substituted (chemicals, some industry and aviation) - as has been pointed out the stuff is vital for the modern world, which is why we should be lighting it on fire unless we absolutely need to.
  12. Yeah, being caught openly lying seems to have died a death. I think politicans have always lied but two recent politicians with notably stupid hair seem to have taken things to new heights.
  13. I do my best and will bring facts and figures to the party when needed, for all the good it will do.
  14. My other crazy position is that parliamentary votes should be secret ballots..... Hear me out..... We have secret ballots for elections for a reason. It makes buying someone's vote much harder. I could give you money and favours to vote for me, but you coukd vote for someone else and tell me you voted for me. I woikd have to trust you (the person selling their vote) to be honest! Now with bills and votes in parliament things are so complex that the average person has no easy way to know exactly what a bill does and whether a vote for or against it is the right thing in the long run. When you throw in parliamentary procedure it gets worse. Someone might vote against the "don't lower the kitten into a blender Act" because they want it to go back for amendments, or prefer the "don't put the kitten near a blender Act" instead rather than actually wanting to lower the kitten into a blender (though there are some MPs who would 100% want to blend a kitten) This provides fertile attack ground later on when opponents can shout "MP. X voted against saving the kitten!" with no context. Then you have whips who basically blackmail MPs to voting for thr party line even when the MPs don't want to. All of this would go away if you had secret ballots. MPs could vote according to what they thought right. Whips would be powerless to strong arm MPs - the MP could swear blind they voted for the party line. Business lobbies and shady types coukd bug cash in brown envelopes to MPs to vote one way, the MP could trouser the cash and vote the way they were going to anyway. So everyone, whips, constituents, lobby groups etc would have to just trust that the person they empowered with their vote. Which is sort of what we should be doing anyway. There is no point in giving the person our vote then looking over their shoulder at which way they voted when we aren't privy to all the circumstances that made them vote that way. I'm not totally mad. There would be a sealed record of how each MP voted (as there is with election votes). And those records would be made public (along with any public statement on which way they voted so we could judge their truthfullness) at the end of each following parliament or after an MP resigns. Effectively the MPs legacy is the thing that holds them in check long term. In the short term it's whether or not they can convince their constituents of they hold their interests at heart. I am aware that there are charlatans out there who seem able to convince turkeys to vote for Christmas or that they are men of the people despite being clearly of and for the entrenched establishment. But they seem to get voted for anyway.
  15. One thing that would be good would be extending the "not lying in parliament" bit to all public statements by MPs. Anything that isn't obviously a private setting eg dinner with friends etc. So any press releases, comments at public events, conferences etc must not be lies and if found to be must be retracted and corrected at the earliest opportunity. Searchable web page on parliament website with all the corrections. House of commons library is given job as the arbiter of factual truth.
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