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  1. Gus Potter
    Acrow props – is there an alternative that won’t fall down?
    Yes there is in some cases. Much depends on your programme, whether you wish to give it a go yourself and how much time you have on your hands.
    Please feel free to comment / question. I’ll answer if I can (if not, I hope some other BH members will be able to) and provide more detail.
     


    Photo 07 showing holes for the needles and the first few temporary works studs going in. The base of the studs are sitting on a sole plate fixed down to a temporary strip foundation. Part of the sub floor has been built up and concreted to provide a working platform.

    Photo 04 (copied from previous post)
    In my case I have been dipping in and out of our project. I reckoned that I would need some 25 – 30 Acrow props for the temporary works which would take me about 4- 6 months as I was also mucking about with other bits of the build. To hire 25 props at £ 5.00 per week = £ 125 per week!
    I could have bought the props but I would have needed to get rid of them after in my case, just gave up on that.  I have two or three old props that were used to help tighten up (pre load / stress) the timber propping.
    The timbers 145 x 45 (grade C24) to form the needles studs, top and bottom sole cost ~ £350.00 ex vat plus a few screws (about 250 number  5 x 80 gold screws I think) to fix things together.
    I knew that I could recycle the temporary studs to form a new floor we needed and that if I cut back the needles I could also use these to prevent the top steels from moving sideways. This is called simplistically “ lateral restraint”. Also, I used same needles to provide additional what is called “torsional”  restraint to the top beam ,  a slightly different effect, but is it to do with the fact that I used one beam with a top plate to support both the inner and out leaf of masonry which can be loaded in different ways at different times. These different loading patterns cause an uneven loading on the top of a single beam.. resulting in a twisting (torsional) effect. You can see more photos in post 01.

    Fig A 01 showing proposed rear elevation.
    How does it work / stay up?
    The starting point here is to calculate the amount of load. With this house the roof spans front to rear, the attic is full of stuff, the walls are rendered brick cavity walls and you have part of the weight of the new extension roof that is now attached / built into the outer leaf of the house.
    Once you calculate this you end up with a working load you need to hold up of round about 25 kN/m run of wall.
    Approximately 1.0 kN (kilo Newton) is ~ 100kg so 25kN/m is about 2.5 tonnes per metre run of wall. Thus if you put your needles at 600mm centres then each cluster of needles has to carry 0.6 x 25 = 15 kN (1.5 tonnes) and the studs supporting the needles at each end need to carry a vertical load of roughly 0.5 x 15 = 7.5 kN (0.75 tonnes).  These types of loadings are as about as much as you can “do” for this type of system. There are other ways but you need more height for timber needles.
    To make life a bit more difficult the window lintels on the first floor cause the load from the roof to be unevenly distributed so some needles need to carry more load than others. You can see from the photos that some needles are in pairs, some are a cluster of three.
    In terms of the studs these needed doubling up in places and the whole lot horizontally braced at mid height with some diagonal bracing just to stiffen the whole lot up. While this sounds like a lot of work once you get going it’s actually quite quick.
    This approach is a little different from using Acrow props. With Acrows you wind up the prop to preload the system so that the upwards force is approximately equal to load the wall you are taking away is carrying.
    Aside,  If you are Acrow propping things then be careful not to over tighten the props as you can easily start to lift parts of the house accidentally!
    Here, what I did was to use a combination of the spare props I had combined with timber wedges to pre stress the system, one set of needles at a time. The other thing is that over time the timber can shrink / creep a bit so I was careful to get the timber dry first and then monitor the system as I went along.
    All sounds complicated but once you grasp the principles a lot of it is common sense and this is not a reinvention of the wheel. I know a few old joiners and brickies that still remember doing this when they were serving their time.
    Some extra information that may help. As always, comments welcome.
    Options for beams-  In terms of material vs labour cost it can sometimes be beneficial to design the steel beam as a single beam with top plate. The one you see here forms part of a double flat portal frame.
    You will also see designs that use a separate frame for the inner and outer leaf, a question of balance, each project is different.  You can introduce a problematic thermal bridge at times if you deploy these single portal principles to an external wall, but in my case the steels are now internal..  the thermal bridging is resolved in the main.
    Propping considerations.
    Below is a screen shot of part of a temporary propping design for a set of 4.0m bifold doors etc. There was another big chunk of the rear wall to come away at the same time which is not shown. The contractor here was stopped from working until remedial action was implemented.

            
    Screenshot propping.docx
    Fig 02: The purple lines are the props and what is called the lacing / bracing system to stop sideways movement.
    Work was stopped when this was discovered. Part of the contractor’s defence was that “he was insured”

    Photo 08

    Photo 09

    A few points. The Contractor had not investigated the ground under the slab and the base of props can slide about. The site investigation had revealed this ground was very soft. Use of Strong Boy type supports at the head of the props.. these have a reduced load capacity and not suitable for the loads to be carried in this case. Props well out of plumb, no bracing.. further comments welcome.
    On a finishing  note the timber propping scheme may look a bit rough but it was designed and executed with no unexpected movement.  If this approach may suit you then as always check with or be a competent person.
    Thanks for reading.

     
  2. Gus Potter
    Gus’ Structural Engineering and DIY Part 01
     
    Hello all. I’m giving the blog feature on BH a go.. lots to learn and a special thanks to the FMG / members who run / contribute to this site.
     
    This blog is built around the structural alterations and extension that I embarked on.. off.. on.. at the back of my house. I work in the construction industry, mostly in an office these days so this project has given me a break from the computer and allows me to keep my hand in on the tools.
     
    I have “experimented” at times. Some experiments have worked out ok, some less so.
     
    The blog is not chronological as you’ll soon see.  As I go I’ll pick out some common elements that you may find on a self build / DIY project and try and show how I went about their structural design and so on.. Although it’s a relatively small extension many of the design principles can be scaled / adapted up for a new build etc.
     
    I hope this will be of interest. If anyone has any questions / advice then just post and I’ll do my best to respond.
    Please remember that if you are undertaking structural design / work or something that could be a safety risk then always get it checked by a competent person unless of course you are the "that person" before starting work.
     
    So here goes!
     
    As a quick overview the project involves taking a chunk out of the back of the house and building a rear extension. One aim was to make this as least disruptive as possible so we could keep living in the house with some normality. Other reasons were to save some money and get something bespoke to us.
     
    In the next posts I’ll cover some of the different aspects of how I went about the detailed structural design.

    Photo 01: Sun room sticking out – freezing cold – to be demolished but kept as a secure store room for tools for a while.

    Fig A 01. Eventually..

     
    What’s going on here?

    Photo 02 The extension is getting roughed out over the sun room, the sun room was retained for a while to stop dust getting into the house, security and so on. For the eagle eyed.. table saw, yes I know the table saw is missing the guard but it is “under maintenance”
    The ladder (ex BT which some may recognise) was gifted to me by an old sparkie, who got it from someone, who got it from..
          

    Photo 03:  Old sun room down and preparing trench (under radiator and old back door) for temporary strip found to support props. Really soft ground just outside the original wall hence the temporary strip found. The old doors windows are fitted into the new structure to give a bit of daylight. The radiator still works.. as I’m a bit soft.
      

     
    Photo 04: Timber props and needles going in.
     

    Photo: 05 The upper side of the steel with the needles cut back. “Sadly” the old sun room is gone. The timbers I could reclaim have been.. the rest has gone on the wood burner.
       

     
    Photo 06: Needles cut back on the inside with restraint straps at ceiling level.. to be explained in following posts.
    That's it for now until I work out what to do next!
     




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