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@Temp, thanks for your opinion and for the interesting video. I note that the man used a polyurethane to protect the floors in that house but before then he went to a great deal of trouble to clean the floors. I think that's what I will do: simply clean them several times to remove remaining soil and to expose the original surface of the tiles.

@MikeGrahamT21, thanks for your help. I don't mind the odd bit of joint being darker than the rest. It's the overall look that I would like to improve. So I will simply give the floor several more hard mop-overs.

The house we have bought has laminated tiles on the floor of one room. The tiles were laid 13 years ago and their condition suggests they received only an occasional sweeping. The surfaces of the tiles look dry. I have rubbed the floor with warm water (with a couple of drops of washing-up liquid in it) and that operation turned several bucketfuls of water dark grey. So I think the floor is now as clean as it can be made. The photos below show the current appearance of the floor. The close-up suggests that each tile is actually a fibrous board with an impression of real wood imprinted onto it and into it. In some parts of the room some paint was spilt and it's clear that the paint was soaked up by the grey, fibrous, 45-degree edges, but that it couldn't permeate the wood-effect surfaces. While rubbing over the floor I noticed how the moisture from the mop "varnished" the tiles so that they shone and mirrored the light from surrounding windows and doors, which led me to wonder what I might be able to do to improve the floor's appearance. I would prefer not to coat the floor with a polyurethane or similar coating because past experience has suggested that the coating gets worn away where usage is high, requiring the coating to be removed and replaced. So beside further occasional rub-overs with a damp mop, is there anything I can do to improve the tiles' appearance?

@Iceverge, thanks for all your advice. The brass unit was thoroughly cleaned, and then it's thread was coated with plumber's mate, and then carefully repositioned, and now all is well. 👍

@Iceverge, thanks for the advice above which I have only just found - after four hours (mainly spent working out how to empty the tank of all its water!), and managing to unscrew the horizontal brass piece entering the grey plastic collar. Please see the photo below. The thread of this horizontal brass piece is deeply encrusted with calcium or some other white deposit, perhaps including some degraded plumber's mate. The stiff grey plastic collar has a thread on its inside! By pushing my finger as far as I could extend it into the plastic collar, I found that the thread eventually ends and the plastic becomes smooth and continues inwards beyond the end of my finger. So the horizontal brass section, which I unscrewed from the inside of the grey plastic section, is male, and the grey plastic collar is female. I had expected the brass section to be female, and had expected to find that it was attached to a male piece inside the grey plastic collar. Anyway, presumably the long thin sensor attached to the brass fitting sits constantly within water, explaining the leak which has been occurring between the grey collar and the brass piece. I don't dare to extract the grey plastic collar, as it seems to me that it must be bonded to the inner skin of the tank. I suppose that it is possible that being plastic the collar may nevertheless have cracked, so that water has escaped under the collar rather than inside the collar. Although perhaps it's been passing out through both routes. I am cleaning the horizontal brass piece and the interior of the grey plastic collar using vinegar and occasional gentle rubbing with a toothbrush. This may take a number of days. Then I will try screwing the brass piece back in position, using some plumber's mate and then wait to see if the leak has been stopped. What is the purpose of the brass piece with the sensor attached? How does it work? And is there anything else that I ought to be doing - or which I not to be doing? 😱 I have no experience of plumbing, so all of this has been a little "terrifying". 😁 Thank you.

@Iceverge, thank you so much for your helpfulness. With that grey plastic disc in position it's difficult for me to see whether the leak has come from behind it or whether water dropped onto the face of it from the brass fitting above. But you have given me enough reason to have a go, hopefully today, at, firstly, trying to drain the tank, and then seeing if I can unscrew the brass fitting in order to clean up the threads and apply a little Plumber's Mate.

@Nickfromwales, thank you. With your advice in mind, I've looked beneath the barrel of the mixer unit. Below is a photo of the situation there. The gap between the white ceramic tile and the barrel is just under a centimetre. I actually have a tiny camera (with LED light) on the end of a 2 metre "snake". The camera at the end of the "snake" is just under a centimetre in diameter. While I might be able to force the head through the gap it wouldn't be able to turn to peer around in the space. It could only look straight ahead. As the photo shows, there is a "wall" of pink plaster under the barrel. And it's dry, with no sign of having been damp. Would it be of any worth if I used a screwdriver & hammer to chisel it away so as to peer in further? Would removal of the pink plaster destabilise the position of the barrel to cause problems in the future? Thanks.

@ProDave, thanks, yes, I agree, "if it was done properly"! 🙂 But unfortunately since moving into this house which was built 12 years ago we have been challenged by quite a few things which definitely were not done properly. So I can't have faith that a proper tanking membrance was laid and that it lapped part way up the walls before the tiles were put down. 😞 I was hoping someone might be able to tell by examining the plastic or fibreglass fitting around the drainage hole.

@Iceverge, many thanks for the video, and for the pic of a tank. Please could you have a look at the further close-up below, which shows my tank's leak point? It seems that the thin grey plastic disc, which I thought was more aesthetic than anything else, is the outer part of a grey circular plastic pipe which enters the opening in the metal skin of the tank. Do you think that that grey plastic is "hiding" a metal thread protruding from the skin of the tank, as in the photo of the tank which you have just posted?

@JohnMo and @Iceverge, I've now cleaned away a lot of the encrustation on the side of the tank and can now more clearly observe what's going on. I've made sure that any water that escapes through the hole near the top of the tank will dribble directly onto a plastic lid I've placed under the tank. I put the lid in position 30 minutes ago, and already an oval of water has formed on the plastic lid, showing how much water is seeping from the tank during a 30 minute period. It's more than I was hoping for, suggesting I need to get this leak fixed sooner rather than later. If at the leak point I remove the plastic disc around the brass fitting that passes through the outer metal skin of the tank, and if then I were somehow able to unscrew the brass fitting from the inner metal skin, I believe the hole in the outer skin will be too narrow to allow any work to take place through it. What is the likely distance between the inner and the outer skin? In other words, how thick is the insulation foam between the two skins? Do you have experience of, or thoughts about, the "Santon Premier Plus Unvented Indirect Cylinder"? Thank you from a 70-year-old who has no experience of plumbing! 🙂

@Bonner and @Nickfromwales Well, to my surprise, I have managed to remove the circular plate around the mixer-unit and the small circular plate around the hose-fitting! In both cases the interior of the wall is completely dry, with no sign of having been wet in the past. I suppose this means that the leak must be from a pipe connection inside the wall cavity? If so, does that mean that in the adjacent room a rectangle of plaster-board will have to be cut from the wall in the area behind the mixer-unit and the hose-fitting? At least I may be able to guide a plumber as to where to do the repair. @Nickfromwales, are you a plumber by any chance? (I'm halfway between Llandrindod and Knighton.) Mixer-unit hole: Hose-fitting hole:

There may have been leaks from the floor of a shower cubicle, because of a water stain showing on the ceiling of the room below. Can I rule out water (when the shower is being used) seeping through cracks in the grouting between the floor tiles? Is there a water-proof membrane under the tiles, or could the tiles just have been glued to plywood boards (which form the surfaces of all our upstairs floors, covered by carpet or tiles)? Does the plastic, or plastic-like, square fitting around the circular drain hole extend under the tiles? The dimensions of the cubicle floor are 86cms by 94cms, so does that approximate to the size of a continuous water-proof membrane (which I suppose could have been cut down to fit the dimensions of the floor)? Here are photos of the cubicle floor, continuous with the floor of the bathroom, and close-ups of the fitting around the drain. Thank you.

@Bonner, so far with regard to the mixer-unit I have managed to move its large outer ring or plate a little in the anti-clockwise direction, but that didn't cause the plate to come away, so I am not sure what I should do next? How far should it turn anti-clockwise before it comes away? (Roughly how many centimetres?) And once the plate is moved sufficiently anti-clockwise, does it then need some kind of encouragement or special action to make it come away? Regarding the ring around the hose-fitting, I haven't yet been able to make it move. I think I may need to use a fine clamp, so as to get a purchase on the outer edge of the ring. What would you suggest?

@JohnMo, for the moment, I am gently cleaning up the outside of the tank so that I will be able to place a tray under the tank and monitor just how much water is dripping out. I put a tray under the tank last night and this morning found it still dry. But until the encrustation is removed I can't be sure that droplets of water aren't still coming out but are then settling within the encrustation. I'm beginning to think that we don't have an urgent problem, but unless a plumber can get inside the tank to stop the leak through the inner skin, a new tank will eventually have to be fitted, which will no doubt be a costly and tricky operation.

@Iceverge, thanks for your ideas. It's water that is leaking and I believe it must be initially coming from the inner tank. When I look closely at the visible source of the leak I see that the brass fitting appears to have passed through a thickness of yellow insulation foam/wool. The brass fitting is not sealed to the outer (visible) "skin" of the tank. The large plastic disc appears to be as aesthetic as much it is meant to cover up the tiny amount of open space around the brass fitting as it passes through the outer skin. So I imagine that the brass fitting is meant to be securely attached to the inner skin, but it isn't tight and so water is leaking into the space between the two metal skins. Perhaps the insulation between the two metal skins is not dense enough, or waterproof, to resist the incoming water, in which case the layer of insulation all around the tank may be saturated with water. I can't see that I can clean the threads attaching the brass fitting to the inner skin without taking off the top of the tank somehow, as well as draining the tank, so as to access the fitting from inside the tank. I have no idea how to check "the pressure and temp relief valves", but take your point that the leak could be due to an over-pressurising tank - although if water can pass through, as it clearly is, I believe it would still seep through no matter what the pressure is. But I have little idea about these things.