Robw85

Hi Sarah, My LPA said they don’t offer site visits even though we requested one, ended up just being a meeting at their offices. Which doesn’t really help matters as in person they could see the damage that is being done from neglect of the buildings. Looking forward to that letter if it does arrive with that list attached… probably why they are taking a long time.

Thank you for the replies. I’d like to think I’d get a written response as I’ve paid £615 for it. Written advice only at a fee of £274; or Written advice and a meeting for a fee of £615 Even our planning consultant has been chasing them for it but to no avail. Guess a SE to assess the buildings might be the next step. thank you all for relying.

Hi all, How long would one expect to wait for a formal letter or email from their local authority after a pre planning meeting. We met with our officer who was very pleased with our proposal yet we haven’t had any formal reply and it’s been 9 weeks. We’ve tried contacting them via email and phone and still nothing. Until I have this formal response I don’t to make an offer on the purchase.. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks Ian, just seen these. Went to buildit live today in Bicester quite interesting to see and hear all the different build techniques ppl are going through.

Thanks Ian thought that might be the case. We’ll leave this to the consultant to sort that’s what he’s for.

Not sure what to do now, land owner said council don’t know what they are doing. Under class Q you can convert up to 5000sqft of agricultural buildings every 5 years then it resets… Anyone every heard of this?

Thank you IanR, your so knowledgable. So full PP would be the only option here. So for PP we’d need a archaeological survey to be carried out. But that can be mentioned in a pre plan application etc.

All I can see are these Planning Applications (2) Application for notification for prior approval for a proposed change of use of agricultural building to a dwelling house (Class C3), and for associated operational development. Status: Prior Approval Refused Application for notification for prior approval for a proposed change of use of agricultural building to a dwelling house (Class C3), and for associated operational development. Status: Prior Approval Refused both ok with parish council frame work. just both have archaeological surgery required first. Think that’s why they were refused.

We need to do 2 conversions as one would be for my family and the other for the parents. I think the red brick one did have a application was for residential but it was refused based archaeological survey being carried out. We had the same conclusion aswell. Will be a max of 3 cars, reduction of current buildings etc and would open up more land. The big ones in the middle (connected via a pp approved lean to) my partner and I would like for ourselves I think measures at 467m2 so would need a reduction? To meet if class q. But if pp it wouldn’t and it would be cladded in wood so would look a lot better than the asbestos it’s currently got. We’d be doing the world a favour to do the conversion tbh. This was other refused application on the red brick. Proposal Application for notification for prior approval for a proposed change of use of agricultural building to a dwelling house (Class C3), and for associated operational development. Status Application refused Decision Prior Approval Refused

Our proposed development would remove a 200m2 barn, a 150m2 barn, 4 smaller out buildings around the old red brick barn that the farmer put up. Rebuild and convert the red brick (pre 19th) that is in disrepair. and convert the remaining two middles ones (1960s) that have been combined into one with a lean to he got permission for and built already in 2018. so we’d open up the land more by doing this plan He said we could submit a pre planning application and see how it goes before going any further doesn’t see planning getting refused if we remove the other structures. Some of the previous refusals shouldn’t effect us on PP. He said if we lowered the barn to a more suitable height in keeping with the red brick it’s got more chance of acceptance but you might as well start a fresh with a new build doing that. ATM they are all an eye sore bunch of derelict barns/sheds in a field and the red one is falling apart doing nothing. He did mention contamination and a bat survey will need to be done. Previous reasons for refusal were as follows; Change from agriculture to general industrial Consultee comments - Insufficient information given within plans to see how it would operate - members have concerns about access etc Environmental health - noise and other environmental impacts to neighbours Public comments - No due to single lane road unlit and with ditches on both sides. Increase in traffic etc 1 building is a local heritage asset and a local land mark —- (it’s not listed!) Previous planning app classed it as a both fragile and irreplaceable and can’t see how it can be converted into general industrial Next was - withdrawn same applicant as above Change of use of agricultural buildings to a flexible use within shops (Class A1), financial and professional services (Class A2), restaurants and cafes (Class A3), business (Class B1), storage or distribution (Class B8), hotels (Class C1) or assembly and leisure (Class D2). This one was - refused The proposed development site is a Local Heritage Asset. This threshing barn and adjoining shelter shed was built in the third quarter of the 19th century. The brickwork of both buildings is corbeled out just below the eaves. The barn is embellished with simple pilasters. The barn has a hipped roof covered with slates. The shelter shed has a hipped roof covered with clay pantiles. A barn was constructed on the site between 1792 and 1797. The barn was described in 1866 as "lately rebuilt" and it is possible that the replacement barn reused bricks from the earlier barn. Historic buildings are both fragile and irreplaceable and any permitted development on site should therefore be preceded by a programme of archaeological investigation which should be secured by an appropriate condition attached to any forthcoming planning consent. It is therefore recommended that if this proposal is approved that a full archaeological condition is attached to the planning consent. This is in line with advice given the National Planning Policy Framework, L1 Archaeological Assessment No development including any site clearance or groundworks of any kind shall take place within the site until the applicant or their agents; the owner of the site or successors in title has submitted an archaeological assessment by an accredited archaeological consultant to establish the archaeological significance of the site. Such archaeological assessment shall be approved by the local planning authority and will inform the implementation of a programme of archaeological work. The development shall be carried out in a manner that accommodates such approved programme of archaeological work. L2 Archaeological Building Recording Programme No development or demolition/conversion of any kind shall take place within the site until the applicant or their agents; the owner of the site or successors in title, has secured the implementation of a programme of archaeological recording from an accredited archaeologist or historic building specialist in accordance with a written scheme of investigation which has been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. The development shall be carried out in a manner that accommodates the approved programme of archaeological work. The archaeological work will comprise historic building recording of the barn and shelter shed and any associated structures. All fieldwork should be conducted by a professional recognised historic building recorder in accordance with a brief issued by this office.

Class Q was already applied on another building when the farm was as a whole. It’s since been split up. said if we knocked demolished 2 of them, that would leave us with the 18th century barn and a 1960s one. Said we’d have more luck getting planning if we demolished the 1960s one too and had a new PP with a new building in a similar style to the 18th century one so it’s in keeping with the area. will also need an archaeological survey and record.

Looks like class Q is out of the question has been applied twice and rejected twice. Had a planning consultant come out yesterday, said it’ll be best to knock the others down and start again, apply for PP to get something in keeping with the old barn design to try and get it approved.

This land is just under 1m but that doesn’t matter as it’s just the cost of the gain from pp or pd but it’s still an extra cost that has to be paid once it is granted for 3 barns on this site we wanted to convert. How they come to the value of the gain from pp or pd is anyone’s guess.

Yeah this one is 25% over 10 years if PP or PD are granted. I see it that if he makes 25% then I’m saving on the land if I was to buy it with PP or PD already authorised. I wouldn’t be making 75% as I have to have the cost of planning and capital gains etc when it comes to selling. Just another spanner but from what I’ve read a lot of land owners are adding it in.

Anyone had any dealings with Overage on land they are looking to acquire?