Jack757

3 years, personal legal reasons that shouldn't have taken so long!!! Been in no hurry and not planning to move out of my existing house until new house is built (or at least watertight cashflow dependant) so I suppose been thinking and overthinking a lot but no action! Thank you, I think I may be getting my head around it all. I will have to look at the LPA policy. My thoughts were purely guessing no size issue due to previous surrounding properties being built twice if not three times the size of which I am going to (we want a practical house not a huge heat/expense swallowing waste of space). It seems looking at recent planning applications in the area over the last year they are refusing a lot of pools with outbuildings, garden rooms etc due to green belt when neighbouring properties have had these agreed and built in previous years (the area is full of pools and tennis courts in the gardens!) so a planning consultant may be the way to go!

What would they do for their cost that the Architect couldn't advise on? Sorry if sounding nieve

Thanks for your reply. I think we need to speak to a couple more architects rather than just the one and get a idea of where we are going. Sitting on this for over 3 years so far without a clear idea of what to do first or the best way to do it. I would happily leave building the workshop until after the house but it would be really useful for storage in the interim. The existing property is a bungalow and detached garage, we are looking at potentially demolishing both and increasing the existing bungalow footprint by 3 meters across and 2 meters deep and adding an additional floor. With regards to PD Rights this is what was concerning my on the relevant councils website...RELEVANT PERMITTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, AS SET OUT IN SCHEDULE TWO OF THE GENERAL PERMITTED DEVELOPMENT ORDER 1995 MAY BE REMOVED BY CONDITION ON THE PLANNING PERMISSION, WHERE IT IS CONSIDERED THAT IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE PERMITTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS COULD CAUSE MATERIAL HARM TO THE GREEN BELT.

As a rough guide approx here

This gives you a bit of an idea from the property just along the road...

This is what is quoted for other planning applications along the same road The Green Belt boundary is drawn broadly 10 metres beyond the average rear building line of dwellings along the street frontages.... therefore would it make a different to the replacement house?

Yes both front and rear garden are

Seems quite strange as when we checked previously it looks like only the garden is green belt not the properties nor their frontage to road. The bungalow was an original building of over 100years ago! Confusing even before we start as we've been looking at this for over 3 years!!

I'm hoping the green belt allowance shouldn't be affected too much due to the size of plot against the workshop area and the house will not be that much bigger footprint that the existing bungalow. Is this something the architect we choose could advise? Not heard of a planning consultant before? Can they retract the PD after we've built?

To pick your brains please..... We ultimately have a 1/2 acre plot on which we are wanting to build around a 66SQM storage/workshop at the bottom of the garden. We are also looking to demolish and build the house roughly on the existing footprint. I have a feeling if we put plans in for all at the same time it may be rejected on the basis 1) garden is green belt and 2) neighbours being awkward. Ideally we feel we'd like to put permitted development for storage/workshop first, build it and fill it and then put planning permission in just for the house. However, could the permitted development then get revoked or we be told to remove structure or once its up its up? I have been advised the local council can take away the permitted development rights at planning also so planning to do it after the house doesn't seem logical! Any advice please.

We are nearly through all the legal paperwork and need to get on with making decisions... We have an old bungalow within a half acre plot which are are looking to demolish and build 4 bed house on. We also want to build a large storage/workshop at the bottom of the garden (garden only is green belt). We were going to apply for P.D for workshop, build and use for storage and then apply for planning for the house but due to how much the existing bungalow is costing us currently and £50k quotes for workshop I'm now wondering whether to apply and build the house first and use self storage short term. I believe if we submit planning for both incorporating the workshop it would not get passed as per architects feelings and potentially neighbour issues, so looks like it would them be P.D after once house complete. Opinions please. Anyone had similar circumstances. Would P.D after being an issue or would we be better doing it first? Thank you

@joe90Thanks. The old existing garage which is block and render was pretty watertight and not too noticeably cold (no insulation) until recently when the roof started leaking, however it is now over 40 years old so no surprise. That is partly why we are thinking of the same opposed to steel, although without the flat roof! I'm presuming the architect will factor building regs in, wouldn't he? I haven't instructed him further since our last meeting and we need to start getting on with this soon as want started before house plans move forward. We know nothing about building and this kind of thing so quite a learning curve and wonder what on earth we are doing!!!!

@Gus Potter Thanks. So this is an image of what we have been quoted on so far which is what we were potentially looking at for a steel structure. 12x8Mx2.4M to eaves. 2 manual roller doors, and privacy door. 40mm insulation to walls and roof, just the cost seems very high without groundworks cost, whatever that will add on. We've got a house to build after so don't want to go to OTT with the workshop funds. We are in the East so cold not too much of an issue, he can add electric heaters in the future if he's too chilly!!! No lift/hoist needed. To be honest we are so busy we would rather just get someone to do the lot and it means we don't have to be on site either.

Our intentions are to put in a 12M x 8M workshop/garage at the bottom of the garden under permitted development. This to be approx 2.4M and 2M away from boundaries. To have 2 roller doors and single privacy door. No electrics to be fitted yet until main house is built which could be a couple of years after. This would be the structure, groundworks and installation. Access not an issue. We are stuck on the best structure to use between insulated steel frame/roof or block with render. I believe brick would be far too expensive. We are looking for the most cost effective option but also that it will not condensate and is suitable for storing classic cars and working on them (Ramp will not be needed). Ideally would also like to fix whatever we need to the inner walls. Also being in the country we are prone to rodents so needs to be pest proof and long lasting. We've had a couple of quotes for steel structures with installation around 40k (no groundwork costs yet) but are yet to look into block. Anyone got anything similar? Any advice please?

@AlexGe Hi. I've been following this as just starting to look at similar (without mezzanine) under permitted development. How have you got on? Did you find the cheapest option or if block/brick was reasonable?