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So better to follow the natural slope then and not to fight it, still not starting in the center though just wouldn't feel comfortable with that.

Thanks so I think I'll just have it running with a slight slope, but not as much 4-5cm, but just enough to stop pooling, I think the crest idea would be fine if you were starting in the centre, and slope down gradually as you get to the edges, so if I go with where my garden naturally has a fall, and follow that for my paving, instead of trying to create a fall, then my first row of pavers should run that way naturally sloping down slightly. I've watched YouTube videos and they're good info, all there patios seem to be close to the house though, and they always bang on about the fall, there never seems to be someone creating a patio, in the middle of the garden like mine lol.

Thanks, couple queries what is a crest in the centre, and start from the center when laying, I'm not telling you how you do your job, but would you not start from the corner, if I started from the center that would confuse me even more lol, I've no cutting my patio is 3.6m so 36 pavers no cutting and just a simple square.

Thanks, so should I whacker the soil first as well, before adding type 1? I also have a question about the fall, I know the standard is 1:80, but I'm nowhere near the house as you can see, so should I still stick to the standard, if I did with the size I'm doing, the patio would drop gradually around 4-5cm from one side to the other. Also regarding the fall should I incorporate that straight away on the soil as you see in the picture eg have it sloping down slightly by removing a little soil, in other words create a little slope and keep it there as I add in my type 1, hope that makes sense. You can maybe tell I'm a little nervous about the fall or slope, when It comes to putting down my paving I think I'll be ok, it's just the preparation I'm inexperienced with. Maybe you could help and explain how you go about preparing the area from the start, up untill laying the paving, if you wouldn't mind, I'm just preoccupied thinking about the slope, that when it's finished it's going to look stupid, hope I'm making sense, Thanks.

I had to crop the pic for upload, this is my ground, the wood surrounding it is 160mm high just to give you an idea, so I was thinking just to go down another 5mm, and with 75mm mot1, 50mm paver 40mm full mortar, that would be overall height of 165mm level with the wood or there abouts, I know you can't see the soil clearly but I thought a pic would help.

Hi thanks for the reply, can I ask have you done this kind of work, or have experience in this kind of DIY job, I'm not trying to be cheeky, but your the first person that has said go with 50mm, most replies have been 100mm on other forums, some have even said as much as 10" of hardcore, it's not for a car lol, I just think some people it is just overkill, or they've read from some site and are passing it on. I can easily read from a paving site, and apply what they've said but every situation is different and you just need a little common sense, and if it is going to work, the slabs I lay will 2x2 x 50, so all I needed to know was if you were laying tiles say 25mm thick are they going to need a thicker foundation or a lighter one, but I'm laying heavy concrete slabs, FWI all the weeds are gone and there was no turf to begin with, Thanks.

Hi I'm going to do a 3.6m x 3.6m patio, I'll be using, new paving, but nothing fancy just plain 600mm x 50mm, with a mortar base of 40mm. So what depth should my sub base be, I'm reading that the standard should be 75mm, just wondering though could I get away with 50mm, it isn't soft soil, and fairly untouched, apart from me digging out the weeds. I had a look on paving expert UK, and it seems that the usual depth is between 75 - 100 for patios, but it is a little vague in areas, and says that sometimes no sub base is needed, so I'm thinking then why not 50mm or is that too thin. I'm a novice I've layed a small path, with 3x2 x 50 mm, and done a couple of other jobs, but the patio will be more of a challenge, so I want to get it right and have it look nice, and as I said I'm using 600mm x 50mm, so I'm not sure because of this you can get away with a smaller depth of sub base, or its the total opposite because I'm using a heavier slab I need a thicker base, Thanks.