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5 hours ago, AnonymousBosch said:

So that's where it is. I knew I was one short. Mystery solved 

 

I distinctly recall that it was donated 😡

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2 hours ago, newhome said:

I just think they’ve been shortsighted in not considering all of the family, ie the boys when they are a bit older. Bet he didn’t grow up sharing a bedroom. I mentioned the house needing to be marketable simply for when the inevitable question of whether to move to give the boys their own rooms is raised.

 

 

I said much the same to Swmbo as soon as the end of program credits started rolling. They endured a tough prolonged build with family separation and now they can only look forward to 6 years of settled family life before the layout limits of the house become apparent. Then as they prepare to move they won't be able to realize a decent sum for the house because of the odd materials and design decisions.

 

2 hours ago, newhome said:

I didn’t think the house looked in any way finished either so most of the finishing touches are yet to come. The balcony rail looked like scaffolding so presumably temporary. Doubt it would get through building control like that anyway. 

 

 

This is where I disagree with a few posters, I liked the finished style. The minimalist look could be a Germanic/Central European influence and the mother earth roughcast finishing is a reflection of to their ethical/eco values. The Ted Moult Everest Windows/Hygena Kitchens generation wants to sanitize nature and live in mm perfect hermetically sealed isolation, in contrast the couple featured know where home decor is going. 

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4 hours ago, eandg said:

Thought that too. Crazy given they had the space (it's a three storey detached house so they must have). I'd actually say any self-built family homes should have four (or three with flexible space to use as a fourth) to allow for grandparents/cousins/pals to stay over.

 

 

Household sizes are in longterm decline and coupled with the UK's demographic wealth bulge presently (60's and 70's), this all points to 3 beds being the marketable sweet spot in home sales. Watch a few episodes of Escape To The Country and this soon becomes apparent.

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On 20/04/2019 at 13:34, epsilonGreedy said:

 

Household sizes are in longterm decline and coupled with the UK's demographic wealth bulge presently (60's and 70's), this all points to 3 beds being the marketable sweet spot in home sales. Watch a few episodes of Escape To The Country and this soon becomes apparent.

Indeed but my comments have nothing to do with marketability, and far more to do with the practicalities of family living. 

 

As it goes few accessible two and three bedrooms are developed by volume housebuilders principally because there's so little demand for it. Unfortunately older Britons only tend to move at the point of crisis. Which is why every new build estate is full of boxes which squeeze 4 bedrooms in and don't provide particularly good living spaces for their occupants (and will be redundant in two generations time). That said, if I was self building with an eye on resale and it worked for me then I'd consider a 3 bed bungalow as the undersupply means they come in at a huge premium to the market, in my area at least. 

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It's easy with hindsight to say he should have paid someone to do the work, but I bet he never thought for one second things would take as long as they did. I'm definitely guilty of that and I'm sure I'm not the only one lol

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32 minutes ago, Vijay said:

It's easy with hindsight to say he should have paid someone to do the work, but I bet he never thought for one second things would take as long as they did. I'm definitely guilty of that and I'm sure I'm not the only one lol

 

I'm guilty of it too.  Some of the work I did took four or five times longer than paying someone would have done, and that cost us in all the hidden costs of the delay, like running two houses for longer, loads more 32 mile round trip commutes, etc.  I'd have been better to have borrowed some money and paid someone to do a lot of the work, as it would have been cheaper, but at the time it was the last thing I thought of.

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13 minutes ago, JSHarris said:

but at the time it was the last thing I thought of.

 

I think people get so wrapped up in it, it’s difficult to see objectively. Done now though and time to be proud of the achievement. 

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Paul is a great guy and very into his house build, particularly the eco credentials. He way very persuasive in his use of clay as a render, even though it'd have been far easier to get a traditional plasterer in. He was the first one Laura and I met in fact, us wandering onto the street when it was strictly a private area and still being warm and welcoming despite our ignorance.

 

I think his materials first philosophy isn't as far removed as mine or the rest of you, it is just that he values the natural sources and processes above performance which we tend to favour instead. I am not going to fault him after having seen him spend three months hand making and filling in his walls with hempcrete. That is a dedication to a cause irrespective on philosophy.

 

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18 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said:

this all points to 3 beds being the marketable sweet spot in home sales.

 

I would say 3 DOUBLES.

 

In smallish houses (say trad semi) 3 double bedroom houses are like hens' teeth. Most are 2 doubles + a single.

 

I rent one to a FOF (friend of family) couple, and it took them 2 years to find a suitable local property  for me to buy.

 

On the Gravenhill Plot 6 one, it seemed to me that one of the doubles may be splittable in 2 for when the boys reach that mutual-hatred age 😁.

 

18 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said:

Household sizes are in longterm decline and coupled with the UK's demographic wealth bulge presently (60's and 70's)

 

This is a critical insight , and it accounts for perhaps 2-3 million extra households if you compare the numbers over a generation.

 

The kind of measure that would help prevent that would be to facilitate 2-3 person shared households - the opposite of what is in place now where they are denigrated ("HMOs"), introduce tax breaks for eg Civil Partnerships / Marriages, and extend Civil Partnerships to pairs of platonics or relatives.

 

One good example of this was actually when Oxford was one of the first Councils to go overboard with regulation of small HMOs a decade ago. 

 

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On 20/04/2019 at 17:36, JSHarris said:

 

I'm guilty of it too.  Some of the work I did took four or five times longer than paying someone would have done, and that cost us in all the hidden costs of the delay, like running two houses for longer, loads more 32 mile round trip commutes, etc.  I'd have been better to have borrowed some money and paid someone to do a lot of the work, as it would have been cheaper, but at the time it was the last thing I thought of.

Yes but would the work have been done to the same standard that you did? At the moment most people I have to get in to do work has left me feeling like I wish I had done it myself.

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So tonight.  The "plywood box" home.  I see one major flaw, it takes about 6 weeks to get a roof on,  And the plywood is the finished internal surface.  So doesn't that mean you really need 6 weeks without rain?

 

And the outside, finished with what looks like pallets painted black, vertical boards with huge gaps between them. What stops water and UV getting in between the gaps? Hope the membrane is UV resistant for a long time. And it will be spider and wasp heaven behind that lot?

 

The other house was pretty normal and even appeared to have a BR compliant staircase.

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8 minutes ago, ProDave said:

The other house was pretty normal and even appeared to have a BR compliant staircase.

 

Given that both houses cost about the same to build I couldn’t really equate that given that the plywood box house had so much free labour. It’s hard to see where the main money is spent on these projects without a cost breakdown. 

 

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