Temp Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Even if a deal is announced I'd wait until the VAT rules are clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Temp said: Even if a deal is announced I'd wait until the VAT rules are clear. I will be buying through a UK distributor so playing UK VAT so no issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 We seem to have a deal. I declare this thread retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 All we need now is 27 countries and our parliament to agree it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Temp said: All we need now is 27 countries and our parliament to agree it. Eeyore ? I refer you to the Tao of Pooh: "Rivers know this; we will get there in the end." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 A pity that striking a deal on walk on glazing isn't so easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Ferdinand said: We seem to have a deal. Yes, having voted leave I am pleased a deal appears to be sorted, just waiting now for “captain hindsight” and “seaweed” to tell us it’s not good ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, joe90 said: Yes, having voted leave I am pleased a deal appears to be sorted, just waiting now for “captain hindsight” and “seaweed” to tell us it’s not good ?. Well it will not be as good as the deal we had. Though if we do a decent deal with Australia, we will get better bar staff and blonde surfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: Well it will not be as good as the deal we had. We are yet to see if that is true, however, the public voted which way they wanted it. As I have said many times, I had no problem with the common market as was, but objected to the “United States of Europe “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, joe90 said: We are yet to see if that is true, however, the public voted which way they wanted it. As I have said many times, I had no problem with the common market as was, but objected to the “United States of Europe “ Having seen some of the deal detail, it does broadly meet the UK's stated 'Canada +' deal parameters and the EU has held their red lines also both sides will paint it as a win. I doubt the Brexit ERG purists will be happy but they never seem to be anyway. Economically it can't ever be as good as full membership as it mostly covers traded goods (a smaller % of our exports by value, majority % of EU imports by value) but not services, of which financial services makes up the majority. Plus added cost of leaving customs union which is expected to add a few percent 'drag' on the process. Financial services will be subject to a separate agreement but looks to be equivalence only (and not the hoped for passporting) which the EU can turn on and off at will. Right now it suits them to still permit UK financial institutions but over time that may change as Frankfurt / Dublin / Paris / Amsterdam build up equivalent capability. I also dislike the concept of a United States of Europe, however that's not what we left (even if it was portrayed as such) and in any respect we had a veto on further integration. But that's all history now so we need the dust to settle and judge whether we're net better off or not in 10 years or so. Question is how and from where the gap in GDP can be filled. It may never be and those who advocated Brexit may consider that a price worth paying which is fair enough. My guess is that will be the timeframe when a closer relationship will start to become politically palatable again. I expect there will still be disruption from Jan 1st until the new customs systems bed in and traders get familiar with them plus more visible differeces like increased travel insurance premiums (especially for older travellers) due to no more EHIC or increased mobile roaming charges- that may drag on public sentiment as the expectation will be 'we have a deal'. Edited December 24, 2020 by Bitpipe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) I was reading earlier that Gibralta might be joining the Schengen area meaning the Spanish won't need to show passports to cross the border... but us Brits will still need to. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-nearly-done-gibraltar-join-schengen-area-leaving-closer/ Edited December 24, 2020 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 What surprised me was the how jubilant the PM was repeating over and over how little would change and how reluctant the UK Government will be to diverge from what we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I am not shouting "victory". Lets not forget, we were sold Brexit on the promise that we would have a free trade deal, easiest deal in history, can be settled in an afternoon over a cup of teat, Oven ready etc etc. Well that turned out to be a lie, it was hard fought over a whole year. So it is a victory for common sense and a big relief that at the last minute we pulled back from the brink and avoided no deal. All we have got is what we were promised, so lets not over do the celebrations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, ProDave said: at the last minute we pulled back from the brink I don’t think so, we stood by our guns and didn’t let the EU bully us, let them think we didn’t mind having no deal (even if we did really) good negotiating skills IMO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-deal-erasmus-study-abroad-university-turing-scheme-boris-johnson-808367 "The move to leave the Erasmus scheme has been criticised by Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who called the decision “cultural vandalism”. She tweeted: “There will be lots of focus, rightly, on the economic costs of Brexit. But ending UK participation in Erasmus, an initiative that has expanded opportunities and horizons for so many young people, is cultural vandalism by the UK Government.”" The government has proposed its own scheme to replace it. Yeah sure. Like they did with EU R&D funding. Edited December 24, 2020 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Not seen, heard or read the news all day, what has happened to fishing, that important 0.06% of our GDP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 We get back 25% of what the EU currently have over 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Actually could be more after 5 years but the EU has right to apply a tariff if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 And Boris has pledged m£100 for an up to date fishing fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, joe90 said: And Boris has pledged m£100 for an up to date fishing fleet. 10 boats, or a years worth of patrolling the waters then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, Temp said: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-deal-erasmus-study-abroad-university-turing-scheme-boris-johnson-808367 "The move to leave the Erasmus scheme has been criticised by Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who called the decision “cultural vandalism”. She tweeted: “There will be lots of focus, rightly, on the economic costs of Brexit. But ending UK participation in Erasmus, an initiative that has expanded opportunities and horizons for so many young people, is cultural vandalism by the UK Government.”" The government has proposed its own scheme to replace it. Yeah sure. Like they did with EU R&D funding. Students from NI can still avail of this scheme due to an agreement with the Irish government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: 10 boats, or a years worth of patrolling the waters then. Anyone would think you voted remain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, joe90 said: voted remain Too right, I know a good deal when I see one, even if I do not personally take full advantage of it. Just looked at BJ's speech, and seems that there is going to be a massive increase in fish landings by UK boats from just over 50% to a massive 66%, in 5 years like (I think that is what he said). So no difference, and i the next 5 years, things will be totally different. What a (expletive deleted)ing nonsense, the whole things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Temp said: We get back 25% of what the EU currently have over 5 years. I still cannot tell whether that is 25% of EU current catches in UK waters. Or 25% of all catches in UK waters. But then I thought we were at about 25% already, and +25% would take us to 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/24/at-long-last-we-have-a-brexit-deal-and-its-as-bad-as-you-thought ".. the Institute for Fiscal Studies estimating it will knock more than 2% off growth and see inflation climb to 3.5%. That means fewer good jobs, lower incomes and higher prices" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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