Onoff Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Don't forget the special Aqua Panel screws, they're not cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 What is !! Don't tell me ....titanium Coated and Anodised to within an inch of their life with a unique reverse cross thread plug-fitting, countersunk, self sealing taper shoulder... ..inspired by the fixings used in the sidewalls of NASA's Martian lander, which in turn was developed by a designer working underground in New Mexico using technology "borrowed" from remnants of a flying saucer that crashed in New Mexico just after the war, subtley adapted from rare earth minerals and elements from Meteorites ? Am I close ?? Or failing that ....nip down to Screwfix and get a punnet of these bad boys ...Will do the job! I think it was that famous philospher/psycologist Nietzsche that once said .... .."There are many Questions in life, deep and Mysterious enigmas and puzzles ...But almost NONE that cannot be solved with either a 5cm Spax Screw, a 2lb lump hammer or a Tin of Expanding Foam Filler"... ..actually no ..it was Bald Trevor down the Jewsons trade counter ..I always get them 2 confused ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Erm.....NO! Go for it if you want but I tried ordinary st/st wood screws and self drill "into metal" screws through Aqua Panel and they tore it to shreds and didn't countersink properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Balls OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Ok The “architect” at Potton hasn’t even read his own spec as it recommends to use pre-bagged render and not sand and cement. Those instructions also say you have to fix the Rendalath or similar before the roof is fixed ..?? When are you roofing as it says to do it before the eaves boards are fitted. @nod do you know where to get Rendalath or one of the render carriers from at a decent price ..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ed_MK said: Balls OK Not sure if the screws are different but I used the indoor Aqua Panel: I wanted to drill through the AP, through the 9mm ply and into the blue metal wc frame: The self drill screws chewed the AP to bits. I just od'd on the Sikaflex EBT. Edited July 13, 2018 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, PeterW said: Ok The “architect” at Potton hasn’t even read his own spec as it recommends to use pre-bagged render and not sand and cement. Those instructions also say you have to fix the Rendalath or similar before the roof is fixed ..?? When are you roofing as it says to do it before the eaves boards are fitted. @nod do you know where to get Rendalath or one of the render carriers from at a decent price ..?? Hi Peter ..I am even more perplexed.I was told by the Timber Frame erectors ...they exclusively work for Potton ..although different company name (i believe) To "get painting the accessory wood as soon as it lands" ...So i spent 3 days ..maybe more sanding, Treating, Priming Undercoating and then 2 coats of Satin to finish All Weather shield specced stuff these bits were i believe .... * long bits with sharp point ...loads of them! ....rafter feet? * Small triangle bits ...about 40 of them fiddly to pain sprockets? * 8ft long floppy 9mm plyboard things about a foot across ......for near the rafter feet ..apparently you can see them looking up ...so paint faces down, lots of these too you cant see anywhere near the lot in these pics of my improvised painting area * Oh and right at the end i got asked to paint a load of bloody heavy 10in x 1.5in boards ...must have been 12 foot long ...weight a ton! these are the ones you can see that run around the edge and have a pretty "chamfer detail" in them ..not sure what they are called Now the reason for the frantic paint was that apparently its EASIER to do on the ground than once they are fitted..I just did as I was told Peter As you can see from the last pictures these are now all up ...I may have to touch up here and there nail holes and scratches but essentially done But regarding current of the roof //progress ...its 90% felted ...and the roofers are all set to tile (see last piccie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Looks lovely... how do you fit the render stop under those eaves..?? from the Potton builders guide So either Potton or their appointed contractor has it incorrect..? And this states Rendalath first then timber detail boards before render It also mentions Potton Contract Manager - who’s that and where are they in all this ..?? Does he arrive on a unicorn at the stroke of midnight ..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Balls ! I remember asking that ..but was told .." a lot of clients did it this way" ?!?! As Potton/TF Company include the fitting of Rafter feet and all that Jazz in the price ... ..I am guessing the reason for the recommendation on getting them up now ...is so they can "one-hit" the job ..and not have to return to do a load more on the eaves etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, PeterW said: Ok The “architect” at Potton hasn’t even read his own spec as it recommends to use pre-bagged render and not sand and cement. Those instructions also say you have to fix the Rendalath or similar before the roof is fixed ..?? When are you roofing as it says to do it before the eaves boards are fitted. @nod do you know where to get Rendalath or one of the render carriers from at a decent price ..?? Hi looking back at my invoices The last lot we bought was from Encon about six weeks back We bought 300 mtrs at £9 per mtr that was Naufe 2.4 x900 sheets These are the best ones to use But we are stuck with what the Architect species Always fixed after the roof The odd job we have done before the roof is completed Useally gets damaged by other trades It needs to be glades then finished Scafold down No arguements over any damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Thanks @nod How would you finish the render detail under all of those rafter tails ..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, PeterW said: Thanks @nod How would you finish the render detail under all of those rafter tails ..?? all 65 of them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Well things MAY be looking up on the rendering front . Just had a nice plasterer come around and gave me a "bracket labour cost" which was not too bad ..even at the top end He is on trustatrader and has a good website & facebook page ... I can see he does good work and YES it IS him in the pictures !! Well the only issue is.... He has only rendered with Sand and Cement and never this newfangled spray stuff ..which is fine by me! But .... Whenever he has rendered for builders the "backing" was always put on by the builder or joiner ....he calls it paper and mesh . ..Well Of course on mine it isn't up yet ..but he said if i find a carrier system and how to fit it ...he will price for that too ....very decent !!! But again I am back with Potton and Stucanet ...is there really any alternatives when rendering with S+C on a Timber frame ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ed_MK said: is there really any alternatives when rendering with S+C on a Timber frame I have used Bluclad board screwed to vertical battens and 2 no. 3mm coats of Weber LAC - the first used to bed a fibre mesh sheet. The render can be sponge finished to a sanded render texture, then painted. I saw one we did 8 years ago. No cracks or marks at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/05/2018 at 20:55, Weebles said: Just had the first quote from a company offering to render (with SAS Prowall) and clad (Cedral Click weatherboard) our timber frame build. Nearly had a heart attack. What should we expect as a rough price for render and renderboard (per square m)? Fitted. Has anyone had anyone fit Cedral Click weatherboard. I have seen some images of @NSS doing a lovely job this time last year. Insight into materials costs vs labour quotes would be much appreciated. Might have a go at this ourselves if it is do-able by an amateur. But the render, no way. Will be looking for other quotes now! Any suggestions for people (render and Cedral fitters) near the South Oxfordshire part of the UK? Did you get this done? If not i can recommend someone i think but i used Aquapanel and a render system for my house and am having a hassle with the mortgage now i've finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebles Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Rusty said: Did you get this done? If not i can recommend someone i think but i used Aquapanel and a render system for my house and am having a hassle with the mortgage now i've finished Nothing done yet. Got a company coming out on site this week to look at installing both. What sort of hassle with the mortgage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I've PMed you the details on the company we used, our issue is lenders don't like an Aquapanel system and seem to want a brick or block outer skin, I'm talking to the IFA at the Buildstore tomorrow so hopefully we'll have a solution soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary G Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 How did you get on Rusty? I'm a bit concerned about this now as my new build is TF with Marley cement weatherboard to first floor an render to ground (Aquapanel and ..?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 When people mention Aquapanel, do they mean the foam filled cement faced panel or are we talking at the solid magnesium oxide panel? I like the idea of using the lighter foam filled panel as it’s easier to handle, especially at height on a scaffolding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 You need to decide what render you are going to use as most of them will give you a list of approved boards that they recommend. I used Parex render and on their list was Moisture resistant render board which I got from Berrys of Leyland. The exterior render board is not cheap so sit down when getting prices. The more you get the better the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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