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14 hours ago, Onoff said:

Cramer Fugi kit ordered

When I first got mine I just used it without reading the instructions. It turned out the reason it wasn't working very well was that I was using it back to front :(.

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6 minutes ago, PeterStarck said:

When I first got mine I just used it without reading the instructions. 

 

I can’t believe a guy wouldn’t read the instructions! 😉

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14 minutes ago, newhome said:

 

I can’t believe a guy wouldn’t read the instructions! 😉

Only when you have tried and failed to work it out without reading them.

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47 minutes ago, newhome said:

 

I can’t believe a guy wouldn’t read the instructions! 😉

 

The photo Is a fake.

 

He's really called Hyacinth, loves knitting, and is aged 73.

 

 

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7 hours ago, PeterStarck said:

When I first got mine I just used it without reading the instructions. It turned out the reason it wasn't working very well was that I was using it back to front :(.

 

What instructions? There's just a little card in mine about the blue & red things.

 

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I presume you use like this and drag towards you?

 

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Do I lubricate anything with soapy water?

 

Do I empty the bath before siliconing around that or keep it full?

 

Cheers 

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14 minutes ago, Onoff said:

What instructions?

Mine came with this:-

FUGI SILICONE PROFILING TOOLKIT with 16 profile variations

 

 

Provides clean and permanent seals. A releasing agent (soapy water) is not needed to apply the soft caulking mass (silicone). This process results in optimum adhesion and therefore prevents mould from forming underneath. Blemishes can easily be redone without removing the entire profile.

 

 

INSTRUCTION:

Remove old silicone carefully with a caulking knife with saw blade, for residue use a scraping

blade. When removing old mildew stained grouts or caulks, wear a protective mask. On scratch-sensitive surfaces (acrylic or plastic) use a chemical silicone remover. First clean the surface then choose the right caulking profile and apply silicone on a distance of 60-120 cm. Now make sure that both FUGI edges touch both wall and floor, slightly press the FUGI and pull – always only use the smooth FUGI edge for spreading.

Start again for a new line section behind the point at which you just stopped and repeat the process. To bridge across vertical grouts hold the FUGI at a slight angle and cross over the grout-line. By doing so you will keep a uniform grout-pattern profile. When working on corners, first start with the vertical wall grout lines and let them bond. Then proceed to the floor grout starting out of the corners in both directions. Clean the FUGI after usage with household paper towel.

 

 

Yes I thought it should be with the chamfer towards you but it's better with the flat face towards you, counter intuitive I think.

 

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On 09/02/2019 at 21:02, recoveringacademic said:

 

 

Idk why its forcing me to quote Ian. But yes flat side first and leave the bath full. Keep plenty of blue roll on hand to keep the tools clean

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53 minutes ago, bassanclan said:

Youtube video of using the fugi tool

 

Apart from him reccomending to cut it square 😂 ( which I still disagree with) very comprehensive. Only things I would add is if you have a slight blemish you can angle the tools one way slightly which should get rid of it. No one will notice that one bead is 1/2mm smaller than the rest 😉

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Sitting here watching the video. A couple of points:

 

1) He refers to silicon...it's silicone. Thanks @Ed Davies I think who pointed that out a while ago! :)

 

2) The use of "soapy water"... I see commercial curtain wall fitters use it all the time.  (The lads who did over Waterloo Station had two labourers following them, one with a rucksack of full tubes the other carrying the empties). I'm talking joints on occasion where they cut the end off of the tube and use a box of 12. The key is to get enough onto the two sides with no gaps for the soapy water to get behind. The soapy water just aids removal.

 

3) He likes the square cut end as it aids forcing the silicone in. I agree.  Simple mechanics. Others I'm aware will disagree!

 

Best I have a practice!

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Onoff said:

 

3) He likes the square cut end as it aids forcing the silicone in. I agree.  Simple mechanics. Others I'm aware will disagree!

 

But only moments before he claimed you don't really want it deep in the corner because of some other reason I can't really understand. I'm not against cutting it square if it works for you. But I just can't get along with it. 

Only time I cut it nearly square is on brickwork expansion joints. 

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18 minutes ago, Construction Channel said:

 

But only moments before he claimed you don't really want it deep in the corner because of some other reason I can't really understand. I'm not against cutting it square if it works for you. But I just can't get along with it. 

Only time I cut it nearly square is on brickwork expansion joints. 

 

I think he was suggesting you might not want a "3 point" bead with the corner as the 3rd "face" where the main faces might move in relation to each other. I can see the mechanics of that.

 

As an aside the curtain wall lads I know reckon you can have a silicone joint that's too thin. The building moves more than the thin bead can flex. Needs a MINIMUM thicknes. I've witnessed this a lot. 

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6 minutes ago, Onoff said:

 

I think he was suggesting you might not want a "3 point" bead with the corner as the 3rd "face" where the main faces might move in relation to each other. I can see the mechanics of that.

I suppose that makes sense but how would you actually avoid it making contact with the corner? Unless you put a small bead of soapy water in the very corner to stop it sticking? 

 

Have you tried the tools yet? I was very impressed when I first tried them.

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16 minutes ago, Construction Channel said:

I suppose that makes sense but how would you actually avoid it making contact with the corner? Unless you put a small bead of soapy water in the very corner to stop it sticking? 

 

Have you tried the tools yet? I was very impressed when I first tried them.

 

If you watch the video he references a shower tray with I think a foam strip between tiles and test?

 

Dunno...need of decorator's caulk? Tbh I think a BIG enough bead would flex enough.

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4 minutes ago, Onoff said:

If you watch the video

Oh I watched the whole thing. Tbh I had to go and get another pint before he got to the differences between the moduluses. 🤔

 

5 minutes ago, Onoff said:

he references a shower tray with I think a foam strip between tiles and test?

Now you mention it he did. But iv never seen one so I must have just blanked it 

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...folks it was only a video to show @Onoff how to use the fugi tool, he could have had the bathroom sealant done by now...

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1 minute ago, bassanclan said:

...folks it was only a video to show @Onoff how to use the fugi tool, he could have had the bathroom sealant done by now...

 

You'll be eating Easter eggs reading this thread! :)

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43 minutes ago, bassanclan said:

...folks it was only a video to show @Onoff how to use the fugi tool, he could have had the bathroom sealant done by now...

 

Yeah but it's probably as good or better than watching porn where @Onoff is concerned so it was bound to take all night ;)

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On 09/02/2019 at 16:56, PeterStarck said:

I used to use masking tape and a flat blade screwdriver until I got a Cramer Fugi 5 piece kit. 

 

Just remember nobody likes a smart arse! 😂

 

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Seriously though a massive thanks for pointing me at the Fugi kit! 

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Now I've mastered this silicone malarkey... :ph34r:

 

Do I do these joins with white silicone?

 

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And could I silicone these too wide grout joints?

 

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Cheers

 

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2 minutes ago, Onoff said:

Now I've mastered this silicone malarkey... :ph34r:

 

Do I do these joins with white silicone?

 

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And could I silicone these too wide grout joints?

 

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Cheers

If it was me I would do the f+King lot. On the wider angle maybe use the big radius but as long as the mastic is a similar colour I can't see what harm it would do

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17 minutes ago, Construction Channel said:

If it was me I would do the f+King lot. On the wider angle maybe use the big radius but as long as the mastic is a similar colour I can't see what harm it would do

 

What size? The grout lines are based around 3mm spacers.....the kit has a 5mm tool.....

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So is this swanky Fugi kit something worth buying if you've never done any siliconing before? I know finishing off a bathroo is new to you too, but you've got skills that I deffo haven't. This would be for someone (me :)) who's never even used a silicone gun thingy before let alone a finishing off tool ...! 

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10 minutes ago, newhome said:

So is this swanky Fugi kit something worth buying if you've never done any siliconing before? I know finishing off a bathroo is new to you too, but you've got skills that I deffo haven't. This would be for someone (me :)) who's never even used a silicone gun thingy before let alone a finishing off tool ...! 

 

Buy it. It's a doddle trust me. Don't ask me how it works. Somehow it magically removes the excess too. I need to heed @scottishjohn's advice though of less is more. 

 

I had to keep stopping and wiping the excess off of my tool so it pays to have plenty of bog roll handy and an open bin bag. 

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11 minutes ago, Onoff said:

I had to keep stopping and wiping the excess off of my tool so it pays to have plenty of bog roll handy and an open bin bag. 

 

:o

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