Simplysimon Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 hi folks, shed came with roller doors and the one at my end is electrical. the switch is pictured with the instructions, wiring as in photos. question is, how do i wire it? i would like to wire it so i plug it into the genny until elec is installed. if possible, simple instructions please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Looks like a simple manual control, but we need the make and model to be able to give advice. The motor will be bidirectional, either a DC motor, a universal motor with field/armature switching, or a capacitor start/run motor with reversing wiring. All can use a four wire basic connection to the up/down switch, with any suitable power supply, including a genny. Our roller door uses a DC motor, with a power supply box and relays to activate each direction, but at a guess, I'd say yours may work like the winch I have for my loft hoist, a four wire capacitor start/run motor, with the windings switched for up and down, plus limit switches in the door itself. The very rough info in those photos suggests that this is the case, but it's hard to see from those photos where the power should connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 @JSHarris pic of box and front cover of instructions and wiring diagrams. wiring diagrams and instructions as previous pics. 'the very rough info' is all that came with the switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 What is missing (or you have just not posted it yet) is a diagram that shows what coloured wire goes where on the switch. Or the exact model number so we can search for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 ok more gibberish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 That just tells you what the SWITCH does. Concentrate on the motor or the door itself. Look for part numbers and search or post them here. It is the motor you are lacking information on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 https://www.auto-roll.com/fitting-instructions think i'll phone the company tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I am not convinced you have all the parts you need. You have the roller door and motor, and you have a key switch. Where is the control box for the safe edge or limit switches to connect to? These two sets of instructions give some information https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/AR433- plus instructions - updated.pdf and https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/AR433 Standard Remote Control Instructions.pdf From those it looks like Green / Yellow is earth (no surprise there) Blue is neutral, and the black and brown are L to the motor. The other document tends to suggest one is for up and the other is for down. So if you wanted to try it (without the curtain attached) you could try L to brown and N to blue and see if it turns. Then try L to black and N to blue and see if it turns the other way. Make sure the cable not connected is insulated when trying that. If it does not turn, then disconnect the power immediately Let me know what that does. Can you see anything else with wires, e.g. end of travel limit switches or any other device that may be intended to stop motion if it traps an object? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 looks like there are two controls on the motor- the blue bits- and I'd take a punt that they are the limit switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I'd urge caution before connecting mains to the motor. The motor in our roller door runs from 24 V DC, yet has what seems to be a "mains" lead coming from the motor to the control box, with harmonised "mains" colours. Without knowing what's in the control box there's no way for sure of knowing whether this is a 24 DC reversible PM motor or something else, like a switched capacitor start/run reversible 230 VAC motor, or even a 230 VAC universal motor with switched field and and armature windings. I suspect one of the wires may be the top limit switch, too, that tells the control box when the drum is fully wound up. Edited November 11, 2017 by JSHarris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I don't think these type have bump stop or limit switches because they are manually opened or closed. The operator has to insert the key and hold it in the up or down position and keep it there for the duration of the open / close event, thus it's deemed safe to operate without jam / limit control. I think those are only needed when it's fully automated one-press for up or one-press for down where you can walk away and a child / pet could get stuck without anyone knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 If in doubt ask the manufacturer https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/AUTOROLL_DOOR_FITTING_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, dpmiller said: If in doubt ask the manufacturer https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/AUTOROLL_DOOR_FITTING_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf That tells you how to mechanically assemble it. This one https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/AR433- plus instructions - updated.pdf mentions the motor colours that I posted earlier and states 230V to the motor And This one https://www.auto-roll.com/sites/default/files/AR433 Standard Remote Control Instructions.pdf mentions that power is supplied to one motor terminal for opening and the other motor terminal for closing. Hence the test I suggested above. As already pointed out, there are limit switches, so I still believe you are missing a control box probably containing some relays that the whole lot connects to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 / missed your links up above dave, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 thanks guys, no bump stops on door and no remote control, as @Nickfromwales states you need to hold the key whilst door opens/closes. didn't manage to get to phone today will try next week when i get time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 48 minutes ago, Simplysimon said: thanks guys, no bump stops on door and no remote control, as @Nickfromwales states you need to hold the key whilst door opens/closes. didn't manage to get to phone today will try next week when i get time. Do that test on the motor, and if that works, you can connect it straight to the key switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just in case ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Well the instructions do say the motor is 230V but I must admit if I were trying it, it would be via my variac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 as an update, @ProDave black and brown are live and control the door. the neutrals are joined, the two switches are linked with a live and the black and brown from the motor are connected to the switches. black is up and brown is down, door now operating. cheers guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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