markharro Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just been reading about this. Not really interested in the music capabilities as I am still a hifi separates man and, to be frank, not interested in gimmicky functionality, but what would be good would be automated blinds (even better if triggered by a temperature rise within the room); and lights that can be programmed to come on and off randomly to simulate someone at home. A couple of years ago I bought one LIFX bulb to experiment with but ended up just using it to amuse my daughter with the changing colours and then the dropped connections got annoying. I have just read that the relatively new Apple Homepod mini has a new or newish wireless technology called Thread which (appears) to offer instant action/solid connections when eg you use an App to switch something on or off that has the same wireless technology. The other plus point apparently is that all the devices mesh together so you end up being able to extend wireless connectivity easily without relying on wifi or extenders or hubs etc. Again I may be wrong here but it appears this https://nanoleaf.me/en-GB/products/nanoleaf-essentials/ is the only bulb atm that comes with this Thread wireless. Indeed a quick look on the Thread website shows a certified product list but there are not many devices listed (no blinds for example). https://www.threadgroup.org/What-is-Thread/Thread-Benefits#certifiedproducts Is this because this is so new or maybe because there are alternatives out there that are better? Be interesting to hear from anyone who knows this area who can comment - particularly anyone with experience of the Nanoleaf bulb? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markharro Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just been reading about the Apple Home App - people saying its terrible even after 5 yrs of evolution. Seems really puzzling - how can't Apple make what must surely be one of their flagship Apps work properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Z wave / zigbee etc. are where you need to be . Depending how technical you wish to be . All HA it currently still basic in terms of plug n work unless you want simple functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markharro Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 That might have been right up until now but all I am reading about Thread indicates it is superior to both z wave and zigbee - here for example - https://techtechandmoretech.com/news/thread-smart-home/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Thread is one of the technologies (along with Wifi, and Bluetooth but only for initial connection) that will be used in the forthcoming Matter standard that is being sponsored by all the large manufacturers, including Apple, and which officially launches next year. I shall be centering my home automtation system on Matter (and thus Thread too). https://buildwithmatter.com (The alliance behind thread grew from the Zigbee alliance, which renamed itself the connectivity standards alliance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) For blinds, Somfy of France is a board member of the Matter (and Thread, where their CTO is a Director of the organisation) and they manufacture devices for both curtains and blinds. None using Matter have been launched yet but it would be reasonable to expect them next year. Their products seem to be modular and all it will take is a Matter-compatible module to be launched. I will be using them for automating my curtains throughout my new house. https://www.somfy.co.uk Edited November 28, 2021 by Dreadnaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMo Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Trouble with a lot of this technology, is moves on too fast. Almost as soon as it's installed it's obsolete or been superseded by something with better functionality or faster. Was going down this route, but the system I was intending to install, became obsolete from investigation a couple of years ago, to point of purchase. So left everything manual instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 14 hours ago, markharro said: Just been reading about the Apple Home App - people saying its terrible even after 5 yrs of evolution. I use the Home App and I find it to be fine. I think that all of the home-automation apps are criticised and the adage that "you-can't-please-all-of-the-people…" applies. The Home app's functionality will be extended in time but it can already do everything that you mentioned in your original post, especially if you are comfortable using the Apple Shortcuts app as welll for some more advanced automations. Keep in mind that: (i) the best home automation shouldn't need human intervention but be programmatic; e.g. blinds that rise at sunrise, or rise when the brightness of sunshine exceeds X; or using motion sensors in rooms; and (ii) in addition to using the Home app, you can control your home using Siri from a Homepod, iPhone, iPad, Mac or Apple Watch, or button, or from Control Centre on any of those devices (and all work well in my experience). (And Siri is now much better than it used to be.). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Walker Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, JohnMo said: Trouble with a lot of this technology, is moves on too fast. Almost as soon as it's installed it's obsolete or been superseded by something with better functionality or faster. Was going down this route, but the system I was intending to install, became obsolete from investigation a couple of years ago, to point of purchase. So left everything manual instead. Not sure I totally agree with this. We were promised home automation when I was a child, I don't think technology has moved fast enough IMHO. I have a mix of lighting and appliances that I can control and automate from phones or voice (both Siri and Google) - it just works and I'm very happy with it. e.g I arrive home at night and the hall light is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Walker Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 19 hours ago, markharro said: Just been reading about this. Not really interested in the music capabilities as I am still a hifi separates man and, to be frank, not interested in gimmicky functionality, but what would be good would be automated blinds (even better if triggered by a temperature rise within the room); and lights that can be programmed to come on and off randomly to simulate someone at home. A couple of years ago I bought one LIFX bulb to experiment with but ended up just using it to amuse my daughter with the changing colours and then the dropped connections got annoying. I have just read that the relatively new Apple Homepod mini has a new or newish wireless technology called Thread which (appears) to offer instant action/solid connections when eg you use an App to switch something on or off that has the same wireless technology. The other plus point apparently is that all the devices mesh together so you end up being able to extend wireless connectivity easily without relying on wifi or extenders or hubs etc. Again I may be wrong here but it appears this https://nanoleaf.me/en-GB/products/nanoleaf-essentials/ is the only bulb atm that comes with this Thread wireless. Indeed a quick look on the Thread website shows a certified product list but there are not many devices listed (no blinds for example). https://www.threadgroup.org/What-is-Thread/Thread-Benefits#certifiedproducts Is this because this is so new or maybe because there are alternatives out there that are better? Be interesting to hear from anyone who knows this area who can comment - particularly anyone with experience of the Nanoleaf bulb? thanks I had one of the first Nanoleaf bulbs in the UK. I have had one firmware update and it has been faultless. The colours are excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 12 hours ago, markharro said: That might have been right up until now but all I am reading about Thread indicates it is superior to both z wave and zigbee - here for example - https://techtechandmoretech.com/news/thread-smart-home/ Sure . I picked on technology that exists today I.e lots of z wave / zigbee sensors etc . Thread is still new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Adrian Walker said: just works and I'm very happy with it. e.g I arrive home at night and the hall light is on. Say it is a 5 W LED. If you just turned it on and left it, would cost about £10/year. I just remember where the switch is, seems easy to turn a light on, or off, at the wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Walker Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Say it is a 5 W LED. If you just turned it on and left it, would cost about £10/year. I just remember where the switch is, seems easy to turn a light on, or off, at the wall. If you have two arms full of shopping, etc it's nice that it does it automatically. What a waste of £10 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Say it is a 5 W LED. If you just turned it on and left it, would cost about £10/year. I just remember where the switch is, seems easy to turn a light on, or off, at the wall. I set up a 0.5 watt led night light that is on when the bright main lights in the windowless en-suite are off, as a movement sensor used a lot more power, and she didn't want to click a switch at night (also the light is a nice dim yellowy orange so it disturbs the sleeping patterns less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Adrian Walker said: you have two arms full of shopping I often here this said. How do you unlock the back door? Or open the interconnecting door. Point I am making is how much automation is really necessary. Very little in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, Adrian Walker said: If you have two arms full of shopping, etc it's nice that it does it automatically. What a waste of £10 lol I have a SWMBO that can’t use a light switch - does me head in . HA solves it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markharro Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 31 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: Thread is one of the technologies (along with Wifi, and Bluetooth but only for initial connection) that will be used in the forthcoming Matter standard that is being sponsored by all the large manufacturers, including Apple, and which officially launches next year. I shall be centering my home automtation system on Matter (and thus Thread too). https://buildwithmatter.com (The alliance behind thread grew from the Zigbee alliance, which renamed itself the connectivity standards alliance). Thanks - I think you had mentioned this in another post that I read - I had hoped that "Thread" was this standard but from what you say it will be a subset of "Matter"? Do you know enough about this to advise whether (assuming I purchased a Homepod and Nanoleaf light to work via thread it would integrate into any future Matter infrastructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, markharro said: Do you know enough about this to advise whether (assuming I purchased a Homepod and Nanoleaf light to work via thread it would integrate into any future Matter infrastructure? Yes, it will. Nanoleaf has announced full support for Matter. https://www.androidheadlines.com/2021/05/nanoleaf-becomes-the-latest-brand-to-support-the-matter-smart-home-standard.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 How many different protocols are currently in use for off the shelf home automation? And why should the latest one be any better, or longer lasting, that the previous ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markharro Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 I think the point Dreadnaught is making is that this is the big boys' collaboration to fix the very issue you are mentioning ie to produce a unified system to bring order to the current mess. As it seems Apple Google and Amazon are on board with this I suspect it is worth paying attention to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Best route imho is cat 5 to everything . Then you have all options available for current and future technologies. Then a generic HA control system e.g fibaro Hc , HomeSeer etc etc . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 While it is encouraging to see all the big consumer companies supporting Matter and Thread, such as Apple, Google, Amazon, Samsung and IKEA. What is arguably more important is the support by the semiconductor manufacturers. All the little companies buy their semiconductor modules off-the-shelf for their systems. When those off-the-shelf modules move over then the whole industry will follow. Semiconductor manufacturers such as Silicon Labs, Texas Instruments, NXP, Nordic Semiconductor, Qualcomm are all backing Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Another perspective is the wider market of commercial building automation. None of the consumer systems currently available are suitable for large buildings. A major focus of Matter (and therefore Thread) is for it to be a system suitable for building automation and control. Companies that specialise in building automation and control such as Siemens, Schneider Electric, Assa Abloy, Lagrand, even Lutron, are all taking central roles with Thread. Oh and here is a full list of the participants in the Matter Standard as of today (and more a joining constantly): ADT Security Services Green Energy Options Piaro Afero Inc Grundfos Plume Design Alarm.com Amazon Apple Inc ARM Ltd ARRIS Solutions Inc Assa Abloy AB ATLANTIC Group Atmosic Axis Communications Ayla Networks BEGA Gantenbrink-Leuchten KG BELIMO Automation AG Belkin International Inc BOE Technology Group Co Ltd Bouffalo Lab BrightAI BRK Brands Buffalo Inc Bureau Veritas Consumer Products Services Busch-Jaeger Elektro Cable Television Laboratories CAME SpA Card Access Engineering LLC Chameleon Technology UK Ltd Charter Communications China Electronics Standardization Institute Comcast Cable Communications Management Connectivity Standards Alliance Control4 Coway Crestron Cypress Semiconductor Corp Danfoss A S Datek Smart Home AS DEKRA Delta Dore Delta Electronics Deutsche Telekom AG Develco Products Digi International DigiCert Inc digitalSTROM AG D-Link Corporation dormakaba Holding AG DSP Group DSR Corporation DT&C Co., Ltd. Easee Eaton ecobee EDF RD EDMI Ltd Eglo Leuchten GmbH Element Materials Technology Ltd Eltako GmbH Emerson Commercial Residential Solutions EnOcean GmbH Espressif Systems Essence Group E-surfing Smart Home Technology Eurofins Digital Testing Eve Systems Exegin Technologies Ltd Facebook Inc Fortune Brands Global Plumbing Group Future Home AS Futurewei Technologies Gardena GmbH GE Current – A Daintree Company GEWISS SpA Google LLC grandcentrix GmbH Granite River Labs Guangzhou Elite Education Technology Co Ltd Hager Controls SAS Haier Hangzhou Sky Lighting Co Ltd HDC I-Controls Honor Device Company Limited Huawei Technologies Co Ltd IKEA of Sweden Infineon Technologies innovation matters iot GmbH Inspur Software Technology Co Ltd Insta GmbH iRobot iThinx GmbH Itron Inc Jasco Products Company JiangXi Innotech Technology Johnson Controls Inc Kee Tat Manufactory Holding Limited Kirale Technologies SL Kroger Co Kwikset Landis Gyr AG Latchable Inc LEDVANCE LLC Leedarson Lighting Co Ltd LEGRAND Lennox International Level Home Inc Leviton Manufacturing Company LG Electronics Liberty Global B V LIFX Logitech Lumi United Technology Co Ltd Lutron Electronics Mastercard MediaTek Inc Microchip Technology Midea Group Miele-Cie KG Mill International Mitsubishi Electric Mitsubishi Electric US MMB Networks Morse Micro mui Lab Inc Nanjing IOT Sensor Technology Nanoleaf National Technical Systems Netatmo Niko nv Ningbo Sunpu Ningbo Suntech Lighting Technology Co Ltd NodOn Nordic Semiconductor ASA Nortek Control NquiringMinds Ltd NXP Semiconductors Netherlands BV ON Semiconductor OPPO Orange SA Origin Wireless Inc Osram Sylvania Inc Otodo Panasonic Corporation Panasonic Marketing Europe GmbH Panasonic North America PanKore Integrated Circuit Technology Co Ltd Perspecta Labs POLYNHOME Powerley Procter and Gamble PROFALUX Proxy Inc Qingdao Yeelink Information Technology Co Limited Qorvo Qualcomm Remotec Technology Ltd Resideo Technologies Robert Bosch GmbH Robert Bosch Smart Home GmbH ROCA SANITARIO SA Ruckus Wireless Sagemcom SAS Salto Systems Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Savant Company Schlage Lock Company LLC Schneider Electric Sectigo Ltd Secure Meters UK Ltd Sengled Co Ltd Sercomm Corporation Shanghai MXCHIP Information Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen CoolKit Shenzhen Heiman Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen Orvibo Technology Co Ltd Shortcut Labs AB Siemens Industry Inc Siemens Schweiz AG Signify Netherlands B V Silicon Labs SimpliSafe SITERWELL Electronics SmartThings SoftAtHome Somfy STMicroelectronics SAS Synaptics System Level Solutions Inc TCL TeLink Micro LLC Tesla Texas Instruments TietoEVRY TP-Link Corporation Limited Trane Technologies TUV Rheinland of North America Tuya Global Incorporated Ubilogix ubisys technologies GmbH Underwriters Laboratories Universal Electronics Velux AS Viessmann Elektronik GmbH Vimar SpA Vivint Smart Home vivo Mobile Communication Co Ltd Whirlpool Corporation WS Audiology Denmark AS Wyde Labs Wyze Labs Inc X-HEMISTRY Inc Xiaomi Communications Xylem Inc Yandex LLC Yo Labs Inc Zehnder Group Vaux Andigny Zhejiang Future Lighting Zuma Array Ltd Zumtobel Group AG Z-Wave Europe GmbH Zyax AB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: Another perspective is the wider market of commercial building automation. None of the consumer systems currently available are suitable for large buildings. A major focus of Matter (and therefore Thread) is for it to be a system suitable for building automation and control. Companies that specialise in building automation and control such as Siemens, Schneider Electric, Assa Abloy, Lagrand, even Lutron, are all taking central roles with Thread. Oh and here is a full list of the participants in the Matter Standard as of today (and more a joining constantly): ADT Security Services Green Energy Options Piaro Afero Inc Grundfos Plume Design Alarm.com Amazon Apple Inc ARM Ltd ARRIS Solutions Inc Assa Abloy AB ATLANTIC Group Atmosic Axis Communications Ayla Networks BEGA Gantenbrink-Leuchten KG BELIMO Automation AG Belkin International Inc BOE Technology Group Co Ltd Bouffalo Lab BrightAI BRK Brands Buffalo Inc Bureau Veritas Consumer Products Services Busch-Jaeger Elektro Cable Television Laboratories CAME SpA Card Access Engineering LLC Chameleon Technology UK Ltd Charter Communications China Electronics Standardization Institute Comcast Cable Communications Management Connectivity Standards Alliance Control4 Coway Crestron Cypress Semiconductor Corp Danfoss A S Datek Smart Home AS DEKRA Delta Dore Delta Electronics Deutsche Telekom AG Develco Products Digi International DigiCert Inc digitalSTROM AG D-Link Corporation dormakaba Holding AG DSP Group DSR Corporation DT&C Co., Ltd. Easee Eaton ecobee EDF RD EDMI Ltd Eglo Leuchten GmbH Element Materials Technology Ltd Eltako GmbH Emerson Commercial Residential Solutions EnOcean GmbH Espressif Systems Essence Group E-surfing Smart Home Technology Eurofins Digital Testing Eve Systems Exegin Technologies Ltd Facebook Inc Fortune Brands Global Plumbing Group Future Home AS Futurewei Technologies Gardena GmbH GE Current – A Daintree Company GEWISS SpA Google LLC grandcentrix GmbH Granite River Labs Guangzhou Elite Education Technology Co Ltd Hager Controls SAS Haier Hangzhou Sky Lighting Co Ltd HDC I-Controls Honor Device Company Limited Huawei Technologies Co Ltd IKEA of Sweden Infineon Technologies innovation matters iot GmbH Inspur Software Technology Co Ltd Insta GmbH iRobot iThinx GmbH Itron Inc Jasco Products Company JiangXi Innotech Technology Johnson Controls Inc Kee Tat Manufactory Holding Limited Kirale Technologies SL Kroger Co Kwikset Landis Gyr AG Latchable Inc LEDVANCE LLC Leedarson Lighting Co Ltd LEGRAND Lennox International Level Home Inc Leviton Manufacturing Company LG Electronics Liberty Global B V LIFX Logitech Lumi United Technology Co Ltd Lutron Electronics Mastercard MediaTek Inc Microchip Technology Midea Group Miele-Cie KG Mill International Mitsubishi Electric Mitsubishi Electric US MMB Networks Morse Micro mui Lab Inc Nanjing IOT Sensor Technology Nanoleaf National Technical Systems Netatmo Niko nv Ningbo Sunpu Ningbo Suntech Lighting Technology Co Ltd NodOn Nordic Semiconductor ASA Nortek Control NquiringMinds Ltd NXP Semiconductors Netherlands BV ON Semiconductor OPPO Orange SA Origin Wireless Inc Osram Sylvania Inc Otodo Panasonic Corporation Panasonic Marketing Europe GmbH Panasonic North America PanKore Integrated Circuit Technology Co Ltd Perspecta Labs POLYNHOME Powerley Procter and Gamble PROFALUX Proxy Inc Qingdao Yeelink Information Technology Co Limited Qorvo Qualcomm Remotec Technology Ltd Resideo Technologies Robert Bosch GmbH Robert Bosch Smart Home GmbH ROCA SANITARIO SA Ruckus Wireless Sagemcom SAS Salto Systems Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Savant Company Schlage Lock Company LLC Schneider Electric Sectigo Ltd Secure Meters UK Ltd Sengled Co Ltd Sercomm Corporation Shanghai MXCHIP Information Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen CoolKit Shenzhen Heiman Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen Orvibo Technology Co Ltd Shortcut Labs AB Siemens Industry Inc Siemens Schweiz AG Signify Netherlands B V Silicon Labs SimpliSafe SITERWELL Electronics SmartThings SoftAtHome Somfy STMicroelectronics SAS Synaptics System Level Solutions Inc TCL TeLink Micro LLC Tesla Texas Instruments TietoEVRY TP-Link Corporation Limited Trane Technologies TUV Rheinland of North America Tuya Global Incorporated Ubilogix ubisys technologies GmbH Underwriters Laboratories Universal Electronics Velux AS Viessmann Elektronik GmbH Vimar SpA Vivint Smart Home vivo Mobile Communication Co Ltd Whirlpool Corporation WS Audiology Denmark AS Wyde Labs Wyze Labs Inc X-HEMISTRY Inc Xiaomi Communications Xylem Inc Yandex LLC Yo Labs Inc Zehnder Group Vaux Andigny Zhejiang Future Lighting Zuma Array Ltd Zumtobel Group AG Z-Wave Europe GmbH Zyax AB You missed Pocster HA Ltd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, pocster said: You missed Pocster HA Ltd And SteamyTea Basics. Thought I would add the list just to make it the longest post ever. 1 hour ago, Dreadnaught said: Another perspective is the wider market of commercial building automation. None of the consumer systems currently available are suitable for large buildings. A major focus of Matter (and therefore Thread) is for it to be a system suitable for building automation and control. Companies that specialise in building automation and control such as Siemens, Schneider Electric, Assa Abloy, Lagrand, even Lutron, are all taking central roles with Thread. Oh and here is a full list of the participants in the Matter Standard as of today (and more a joining constantly): ADT Security Services Green Energy Options Piaro Afero Inc Grundfos Plume Design Alarm.com Amazon Apple Inc ARM Ltd ARRIS Solutions Inc Assa Abloy AB ATLANTIC Group Atmosic Axis Communications Ayla Networks BEGA Gantenbrink-Leuchten KG BELIMO Automation AG Belkin International Inc BOE Technology Group Co Ltd Bouffalo Lab BrightAI BRK Brands Buffalo Inc Bureau Veritas Consumer Products Services Busch-Jaeger Elektro Cable Television Laboratories CAME SpA Card Access Engineering LLC Chameleon Technology UK Ltd Charter Communications China Electronics Standardization Institute Comcast Cable Communications Management Connectivity Standards Alliance Control4 Coway Crestron Cypress Semiconductor Corp Danfoss A S Datek Smart Home AS DEKRA Delta Dore Delta Electronics Deutsche Telekom AG Develco Products Digi International DigiCert Inc digitalSTROM AG D-Link Corporation dormakaba Holding AG DSP Group DSR Corporation DT&C Co., Ltd. Easee Eaton ecobee EDF RD EDMI Ltd Eglo Leuchten GmbH Element Materials Technology Ltd Eltako GmbH Emerson Commercial Residential Solutions EnOcean GmbH Espressif Systems Essence Group E-surfing Smart Home Technology Eurofins Digital Testing Eve Systems Exegin Technologies Ltd Facebook Inc Fortune Brands Global Plumbing Group Future Home AS Futurewei Technologies Gardena GmbH GE Current – A Daintree Company GEWISS SpA Google LLC grandcentrix GmbH Granite River Labs Guangzhou Elite Education Technology Co Ltd Hager Controls SAS Haier Hangzhou Sky Lighting Co Ltd HDC I-Controls Honor Device Company Limited Huawei Technologies Co Ltd IKEA of Sweden Infineon Technologies innovation matters iot GmbH Inspur Software Technology Co Ltd Insta GmbH iRobot iThinx GmbH Itron Inc Jasco Products Company JiangXi Innotech Technology Johnson Controls Inc Kee Tat Manufactory Holding Limited Kirale Technologies SL Kroger Co Kwikset Landis Gyr AG Latchable Inc LEDVANCE LLC Leedarson Lighting Co Ltd LEGRAND Lennox International Level Home Inc Leviton Manufacturing Company LG Electronics Liberty Global B V LIFX Logitech Lumi United Technology Co Ltd Lutron Electronics Mastercard MediaTek Inc Microchip Technology Midea Group Miele-Cie KG Mill International Mitsubishi Electric Mitsubishi Electric US MMB Networks Morse Micro mui Lab Inc Nanjing IOT Sensor Technology Nanoleaf National Technical Systems Netatmo Niko nv Ningbo Sunpu Ningbo Suntech Lighting Technology Co Ltd NodOn Nordic Semiconductor ASA Nortek Control NquiringMinds Ltd NXP Semiconductors Netherlands BV ON Semiconductor OPPO Orange SA Origin Wireless Inc Osram Sylvania Inc Otodo Panasonic Corporation Panasonic Marketing Europe GmbH Panasonic North America PanKore Integrated Circuit Technology Co Ltd Perspecta Labs POLYNHOME Powerley Procter and Gamble PROFALUX Proxy Inc Qingdao Yeelink Information Technology Co Limited Qorvo Qualcomm Remotec Technology Ltd Resideo Technologies Robert Bosch GmbH Robert Bosch Smart Home GmbH ROCA SANITARIO SA Ruckus Wireless Sagemcom SAS Salto Systems Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Savant Company Schlage Lock Company LLC Schneider Electric Sectigo Ltd Secure Meters UK Ltd Sengled Co Ltd Sercomm Corporation Shanghai MXCHIP Information Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen CoolKit Shenzhen Heiman Technology Co Ltd Shenzhen Orvibo Technology Co Ltd Shortcut Labs AB Siemens Industry Inc Siemens Schweiz AG Signify Netherlands B V Silicon Labs SimpliSafe SITERWELL Electronics SmartThings SoftAtHome Somfy STMicroelectronics SAS Synaptics System Level Solutions Inc TCL TeLink Micro LLC Tesla Texas Instruments TietoEVRY TP-Link Corporation Limited Trane Technologies TUV Rheinland of North America Tuya Global Incorporated Ubilogix ubisys technologies GmbH Underwriters Laboratories Universal Electronics Velux AS Viessmann Elektronik GmbH Vimar SpA Vivint Smart Home vivo Mobile Communication Co Ltd Whirlpool Corporation WS Audiology Denmark AS Wyde Labs Wyze Labs Inc X-HEMISTRY Inc Xiaomi Communications Xylem Inc Yandex LLC Yo Labs Inc Zehnder Group Vaux Andigny Zhejiang Future Lighting Zuma Array Ltd Zumtobel Group AG Z-Wave Europe GmbH Zyax AB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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