ZacP Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, PeterW said: 400 tall larder, 800 sink base then a washing machine and tumble dryer side by side - bridge over the whole lot if you really want more cupboard space. Utility will give you access to the drain for the PRV and will keep things tidy. Think @canalsiderenovation is doing something very similar. That’s why I was v interested in their posts on this! I’ll have to convince my wife, a decent size utility was relatively high on her list... prv? Pressure release valve as a guess this for a vented cylinder? On a similar/separate note could you put fuse boards etc in this mini-plant-room? Or would it get too hot? Edited November 29, 2020 by ZacP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, PeterW said: 400 tall larder, 800 sink base then a washing machine and tumble dryer side by side - bridge over the whole lot if you really want more cupboard space. Utility will give you access to the drain for the PRV and will keep things tidy. Think @canalsiderenovation is doing something very similar. Yes, we have all of our stuff in our utility and it's been studded in. It has meant we have less space than we thought (2125 in total now) but will fit an 800 base unit (because we have gone for a large sink) and then a washer and dryer with some narrower units above (kind of like bridging units as we already have one 900mm spare from our main kitchen so just going to put a 600mm bridging either side) as we didn't want anything too low over our sinks (hot/steamy water). You can see the 'before' it was boxed in pics on a post on here. Edited November 29, 2020 by canalsiderenovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacP Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, canalsiderenovation said: Yes, we have all of our stuff in our utility and it's been studded in. It has meant we have less space than we thought but will fit an 800 base unit (because we have gone for a large sink) and then a washer and dryer with some narrower units above (kind of like bridging units) as we didn't want anything too low over our sinks (hot/steamy water). You can see the 'before' it was boxed in pics on a post on here. I followed your utility post @canalsiderenovation! Think we may be going down the same route... what size cylinder is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ZacP said: followed your utility post @canalsiderenovation! Think we may be going down the same route... what size cylinder is that? 400l is the tank size which was recommended by a couple of people on here as we have a PV and a solar immersion solic 200. Our fuse/consumer unit and UFH piping manifold is all in a store cupboard just outside the utility door and whilst I'd of preferred this extra space to be in the utility for vacuum/mop etc it's quite a large stud cupboard so will probably end up with a couple of coats, etc in it as well and we just couldn't fit everything in one place without taking up too much room. There was also lots of debate about the manifold being in the centre of the house. Edited November 29, 2020 by canalsiderenovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ZacP said: That’s why I was v interested in their posts on this! I’ll have to convince my wife, a decent size utility was relatively high on her list... prv? Pressure release valve as a guess this for a vented cylinder? On a similar/separate note could you put fuse boards etc in this mini-plant-room? Or would it get too hot? A jammed PRV did for Three Mile Island ?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ZacP said: I’ll have to convince my wife, a decent size utility was relatively high on her list... For what ...? I’ve yet to see anyone use a utility for more than a washing machine and store junk that has no other home .... 1 hour ago, ZacP said: prv? Pressure release valve as a guess this for a vented cylinder? Yep but unvented, cylinder has one as does the control block that reduces the pressure of the mains water 1 hour ago, ZacP said: On a similar/separate note could you put fuse boards etc in this mini-plant-room? Or would it get too hot? Heat won’t matter, but access may be an issue as they are supposed to be at 1200mm from memory now ..? @ProDave..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Just now, PeterW said: Heat won’t matter, but access may be an issue as they are supposed to be at 1200mm from memory now ..? @ProDave..?? Yes like everything else they have to be "accessible" so no putting them up high or low down. you would have to check what the BR say in England it will be with all the other accessibility stuff. P.S my earlier comments, I missed the post where this jumped from fitting it in a low loft to now putting it in the utility room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, PeterW said: For what ...? I’ve yet to see anyone use a utility for more than a washing machine and store junk that has no other home .... That is unfair to the point of being libellous. Shall report you to the Admin. Oh, you are the admin... Doesn't @ProDave keep his downstairs bathroom in there? Different thread required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacP Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, ProDave said: Yes like everything else they have to be "accessible" so no putting them up high or low down. you would have to check what the BR say in England it will be with all the other accessibility stuff. P.S my earlier comments, I missed the post where this jumped from fitting it in a low loft to now putting it in the utility room. Don’t worry, not decided yet. Think the preference would be loft if we can sensibly get 2x200l or a 400l one up there but exploring utility space as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacP Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, PeterW said: For what ...? I’ve yet to see anyone use a utility for more than a washing machine and store junk that has no other home .... Think more like utility/laundry/boot room. Place to come in with muddy boots and dogs before getting layers off and keeping house reasonably clean! Also dog food/bowls and beds. It’s a busy heavily used space in our house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, PeterW said: For what ...? I’ve yet to see anyone use a utility for more than a washing machine and store junk that has no other home .... Our utility has the washing machine and that infernal towel fluffing machine aka Tumble Dryer. It also was the WC (not everyone likes that idea) It also has space for a "pulley" one of those clothes drying things that drops down from the ceiling so not everything has to go in the TD. That has it's own alcove so you can still walk through the room when it's full. Yes walk through as it is also the access to the garage. Oh and there is room for the ironing board to love there ready for use without having to fold it away every time. So yes a big utility room is good. Oh and it has a bit of space earmarked for a shower, a Scottish BR requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 my thoughts a utiliy room in a country setting should also be the "boot room" where you leave all the wet outer clothing and wellies etc etc --so yes a decent space for that combined usage --so warm cylinder would not go wrong in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, ZacP said: Place to come in with muddy boots and dogs before getting layers off and keeping house reasonably clean No, it is the place to hang the wet suits up in. Edited November 30, 2020 by SteamyTea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 hours ago, ProDave said: Our utility has the washing machine and that infernal towel fluffing machine aka Tumble Dryer. It also was the WC (not everyone likes that idea) It also has space for a "pulley" one of those clothes drying things that drops down from the ceiling so not everything has to go in the TD. That has it's own alcove so you can still walk through the room when it's full. Yes walk through as it is also the access to the garage. Oh and there is room for the ironing board to love there ready for use without having to fold it away every time. So yes a big utility room is good. Oh and it has a bit of space earmarked for a shower, a Scottish BR requirement. Back in the 1980s we used to have the folding ironing board built in in a special drawer. The issue was it had to be kept out until dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, scottishjohn said: where you leave all the wet outer clothing and wellies etc country 39 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: the place to hang the wet suits up in. Coast Americans call them “mud rooms” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The wet suits hang on the clothes dryer. Dual use you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, scottishjohn said: my thoughts a utiliy room in a country setting should also be the "boot room" where you leave all the wet outer clothing and wellies etc etc --so yes a decent space for that combined usage --so warm cylinder would not go wrong in there There are a few on here with a Utility Room *and* a Boot Room. I'm just planning (eventually) an approx 2m x 5m utility. Will cost me a bit off the long garage, but I need the dryer in there to create room for a second dishwasher, and a second freezer, and want somewhere very secure for power tools and space for a potential lift, and that is the only convenient place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacP Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) Ok, so slight switch in thoughts... how does everyone feel about just ditching the whole ASHP/hot water cylinder thing and sticking with a plain simple mains gas combi? I know it’s not as brilliantly environmentally friendly, but the installation costs I assume will be much lower and running costs can’t be that much more expensive?!? Plus space saving.... Edited December 7, 2020 by ZacP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, ZacP said: Ok, so slight switch in thoughts... how does everyone feel about just ditching the whole ASHP/hot water cylinder thing and sticking with a plain simple mains gas combi? Something I would certainly consider if mains gas was an option. Other factors to take into account though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacP Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, PeterStarck said: Something I would certainly consider if mains gas was an option. Other factors to take into account though. It is available yes. what other factors am I missing? Edited December 7, 2020 by ZacP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, ZacP said: what other factors am I missing? How many showers are likely to be taken at the same time. Combis not the best for continuous large volumes of hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, ZacP said: It is available yes. what other factors am I missing? combi won’t run UFH without a buffer tank so you’ll need space for that somewhere. You’ll also need a big combi to get decent water flow - WB CDI30 or similar so won’t be change of £2k installed. Also needs an annual service to keep the warranty, so lifetime costs are not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, PeterW said: combi won’t run UFH without a buffer tank so you’ll need space for that somewhere. You’ll also need a big combi to get decent water flow - WB CDI30 or similar so won’t be change of £2k installed. Also needs an annual service to keep the warranty, so lifetime costs are not cheap. thats wrong. A tankless combi ran o0ur first builds UFH for many years no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: thats wrong. A tankless combi ran o0ur first builds UFH for many years no problem. A 30KW combi will not modulate down far enough, and will short cycle to death and not condensate at modern UFH temperatures. It physically isn’t possible as the flow rates are too low to sustain for UFH, and the condensate level is too high. Fact. An older, less insulated and higher UFH flow temp house may support this, but that isn’t what we are talking about, so this is like comparing apples and giraffes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Is there any point in having a very low output heat only boiler for the UFH plus a BFO combi for hot water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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