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Scotframe or Fleming Homes?

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Hi everyone, 

 

I'm looking for some advice here... I'm new to this and just starting out by looking at different options. Does anyone know what the differences with the full spec options at both Scotframe and Fleming Homes? How do Fleming Homes give you a price for the full build through the cost calculator? What does this include? 

 

Does anyone have a full cost spreadsheet that they wouldn't mind sharing? I'm hoping to do this on a budget but don't know what to expect and what the "hidden costs" may include? 

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Can I ask are you in Scotland if so where approx.

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Depends on the size of house your intending to build and if it’s a bungalow, two storey or other. I do have a spreadsheet but don’t know that it would assist you, personally we disregarded both these companies and went with Claymore.

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Ask them?

You kinda need to do some of the leg work here. I'm sure I've had sample quotes from Scotframe before which had the full spec of what you get, then you can make a spreadsheet and get some other kit companies offerings to compare what is and isn't included - from a little experience I don't think there's much difference in what's included or not, but I have seen a fleming homes kits with loads of wastage on site (not sure if that was a standard kit or a one off)

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I used Scotframe and received a full inventory down to every nail supplied. There were no surprises and mine included internal doors, skirting, staircase and suchlike, but clearly there is a ton of stuff you need to provide on top of the offering from the TF company. Scotframe didn’t offer frame erection back then but this may have changed.  
 

 

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Thank you everyone for your responses so far! 😊

 

@Bozza I am based in Aberdeenshire, quite rural but I would be looking at a serviced plot. 

 

@Christine Walker Size I am looking at a 3 bed house 110 - 145m2 and not a bungalow but the rest would be dictated by costings I think. 

 

Thank you @the_r_sole, I have contacted the companies but haven't received a response as of yet so just wanted to see other peoples opinions! 

 

@newhome That's great to know, thank you. I'm not too concerned about the erection of the TF as I have a few options for this, was just wondering if the spec varied and if they supplied screws too. Do you know if the price for the TF goes up/down when choosing a finishing? (Finishes being the timber clad/bricks/slates etc)

 

 

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You won’t get cladding, bricks or slates/tiles  as part of the timber frame package 

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@Christine Walker Sorry, let me try to ask in a different way. What I am asking is it it will increase or reduce the price of the frame when a finishing is selected? :) 

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33 minutes ago, S_M said:

Thank you everyone for your responses so far! 😊

 

@Bozza I am based in Aberdeenshire, quite rural but I would be looking at a serviced plot. 

 

@Christine Walker Size I am looking at a 3 bed house 110 - 145m2 and not a bungalow but the rest would be dictated by costings I think. 

 

Thank you @the_r_sole, I have contacted the companies but haven't received a response as of yet so just wanted to see other peoples opinions! 

 

@newhome That's great to know, thank you. I'm not too concerned about the erection of the TF as I have a few options for this, was just wondering if the spec varied and if they supplied screws too. Do you know if the price for the TF goes up/down when choosing a finishing? (Finishes being the timber clad/bricks/slates etc)

 

 

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32 minutes ago, S_M said:

 

@newhome That's great to know, thank you. I'm not too concerned about the erection of the TF as I have a few options for this, was just wondering if the spec varied and if they supplied screws too. Do you know if the price for the TF goes up/down when choosing a finishing? (Finishes being the timber clad/bricks/slates etc)


I’m not entirely sure what you mean TBH. We didn’t choose the finishing in conjunction with Scotframe as far as I’m aware. The price did vary depending on some of the internal options we chose such as all oak skirting, upgraded internal doors, all oak staircase. We always planned to use block and render, and stone on the front elevation (none of this supplied by Scotframe) so the quote didn’t vary in this regard. 

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I had Scotframe, Flemming  and MBC on my shortlist. The offerings are quite different and you have to do a deal of probing to get to the bottom of it. Its not just the finish its the spec of the insulation, reliability of the company, confidence in the finished cost, inclination to fix any issues that could arise throughout the project etc.  Its a bit of a minefield. I have a spreadsheet which may help if you know what are priorities for you. MBC are one of the few to guarantee the finished cost as per quote. I selected MBC for this reason and also as they provide more of the build, foundation, erection and partnered with a window company at the time (though they no longer do this).  I considered it a reduced the risk for me being a first time self build. Though I was very impressed by Scotframe who were incredibly helpful throughout the evaluation. 

 

I cant confirm if this is a wise decision as yet as i am waiting for the timber frame to arrive (next Tuesday!!!) Give me a shout if you want me to mail over the spreadie.  

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Define your budget and part of this will define your route and kit type. 

 

If you want a basic timber frame. Forget MBC they just aren't going to be competitive (where you are) its not what they are good at (good at the kit just not the price). Similarly if its basic...forget scotframe, 25% more expensive in my experience, plus you will pay VAT upfront unless you have a main contractor. 

 

Of all the 15 or so initial quotes I got fleming homes were one of the cheapest and very comprehensive. Stephen Scott (sales guy) super helpful and very transparent and from my background checks good reports all round on kit quality and erection team. 

 

You need to make a fundamental decision  on if you want a basic frame delivered or a high performing kit like val u therm (scotframe) or possibky SIPS  etc. Think about you want and go from there. 

 

Whilst easier buying a full kit (doors and all) you will pay a premium for this.

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and check out the suppliers on the "other" side of the Irish Sea too...

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We're in the process of finalising our build and our builder was planning on using Scotframe but has just had to cancel the order because of continued delays. Apparently Saint Gobhain, Scotframe's parent is making some corporate supply chain decisions which means promised dates are being missed. Might be useful info for those planning on using them.

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On 28/08/2020 at 22:22, SuperJohnG said:

Define your budget and part of this will define your route and kit type. 

 

If you want a basic timber frame. Forget MBC they just aren't going to be competitive (where you are) its not what they are good at (good at the kit just not the price). Similarly if its basic...forget scotframe, 25% more expensive in my experience, plus you will pay VAT upfront unless you have a main contractor. 

 

Of all the 15 or so initial quotes I got fleming homes were one of the cheapest and very comprehensive. Stephen Scott (sales guy) super helpful and very transparent and from my background checks good reports all round on kit quality and erection team. 

 

You need to make a fundamental decision  on if you want a basic frame delivered or a high performing kit like val u therm (scotframe) or possibky SIPS  etc. Think about you want and go from there. 

 

Whilst easier buying a full kit (doors and all) you will pay a premium for this.

Would you mind sharing who you "interviewed"? And what was the scope of prices between the cheapest to the most expensive one? I have a preliminary price from MBC, but waiting to even hear back from most others. So, curious what they are even likely to entertain.

 

 

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